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#1 2 years ago

Back Due to popular demand.

Bring up some categories for discussion as you wish. I shall pm Nem/FT with some details of the first interesting thing I would like to discuss for permission, respectfully.




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#2 2 years ago

To add some context, for the new faces;

http://gfarchive.filesnation.com/forums.filefront.com/general-discussion/459685-economics-thread.html

BelthagorHello everyone, while studying Economics I came up with a theory.

Unemployment is actually good for the economy. Imagine this scenario: a single homeless man is sitting outside somewhere in the business district at 6pm. A person leaves his job, walks by, sees the man and thinks "I'll work twice as hard, so that doesn't happen to me."

If ten thousand people (-random employees-) walk by through the tiny area on the way to the bus stop in a small time of half an hour ....well, you get the idea. ....and the influence that one homeless person had on all those office workers is much greater than benefit made If he were employed.

It's impossible to ignore something when it's staring you in the face. Economics says unemployment harms the economy, but economics is wrong. Psychology is the one true prophet.

This is just a theory, not one I support, don't hate me.

It seems logical...

(what do you think?)


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#3 2 years ago

That's flawed logic.  If it motivates the author, fine, but it's flawed and honestly despicable to make an example of someone just because they don't have employment.

An economy thrives when the middle and lower classes are making and spending money because money at the top usually stays at the top, but money at the bottom moves around everywhere.

Unfortunately, we're moving towards a more automated society, which means that more low-skill jobs will be taken over by robots and computers, and that will make entering the workforce harder.  Furthermore, there are simply more people due to population booms, but not necessarily more jobs.  As a result, combined with general capitalistic trends, even the most basic jobs are becoming highly competitive and difficult to obtain.

Even now, we see people that work hard but end up on the street because they were made obsolete or noncompetitive for some reason.  Many young people go to college and end up making minimum wage or worse because employers no longer value just higher education in just high-paying jobs.  Disabilities and sickness can lead to financial ruin or worse.

A homeless person didn't necessarily goof off.  They may be homeless because they fell through the cracks of society and can't get out because of a society that automatically assumes homeless people are lazy and refuses to employ them.  Economic trends might mean their best opportunities are part-time or temporary work, or jobs that pay so little they can't even afford a home.  They may suffer from treatable diseases and can't afford a doctor, so they remain disabled and can't work, creating a cycle of perpetual sickness they may never escape.

Homeless is a failure of society, not necessarily a personal failure.  While we should reward hard work with higher wages, we should never punish anyone for not having a job with starvation and death, even if its their own fault.  You're basically punishing people for not being born properly or meeting a sometimes seriously narrow and arbitrary set of requirements set by some random employer who may have never gone without food or shelter in their life.

To me, homelessness especially in a capitalist society just tells me that capitalism is not a perfect system, and in fact is kind-of broken and needs modification, usually with enough socialist policies to ensure that anyone that works hard never goes hungry, sick, or without shelter regardless of birthplace, gender, sex, race, economic upbringing, or ability.  When we stop treating life as a competition where the richest man wins, we can start taking care of everyone and ensuring that everyone wins and can be happy no matter what happens in their life.

To the point, unemployment is bad for for the economy and society, but unfortunately it's going to be something that we have to deal with maybe in higher amounts in the future, and if we don't protect our society against it, then many people are going to unduly suffer because of assumptions the author makes here that are largely incorrect, and unfortunately shape disastrous economic and social policies in many capitalist societies.




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#4 2 years ago

No you don't understand, the people who make less are lazy.  Especially the veterans who come home from wars to work minimum wage jobs.  Fucking lazy.  How do you expect me to take you seriously unless daddy provides you with a $1,000 a week allowance or if you don't work as an investment banker?  Jeeze guys, come on, stop being so lazy and start making millions!  Gosh!


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#5 2 years ago

There's a bit of a balancing act. Some lazy people end up homeless, but I'm pretty sure a week out on the streets is enough to sober anyone up, unless the reason is drug or mental health related, in which case that's an entirely different problem. A homeless person is either, as Nittany states, a person who has fallen through the cracks, or someone who just can't get along in modern society. Brains are different, and there's a small percentile of people who just can't handle the Western way of life.




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#6 2 years ago

@FileTrekker The pm system doesn't work, and how could you misquote that? Archive.org does not have the majority of our discussion backed up, unfortunately.

Based on my personality I assumed you knew the hidden point I was trying to make when we started this discussion in the first place, (Nem hinted at it when saying "people don't tend to do a good job when they are afraid" )




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#7 2 years ago

"belthagor"@FileTrekker The pm system doesn't work[/quote]

It's working fine...

[quote="belthagor"]And how could you misquote that? Archive.org does not have the majority of our discussion backed up, unfortunately.

No, but our own archive of the forum does. Your new thread here had literally no context, remember there are new people here who wont be aware of your old thread. ;)


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#8 2 years ago

PM system may appear not to work because there's a permanent unread message on it, at least for mine, but no message in the inbox corresponding. ^^;




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#9 2 years ago
"Nemmerle"PM system may appear not to work because there's a permanent unread message on it, at least for mine, but no message in the inbox corresponding. ^^;

If you spot anything like this, add it to the bug tracker. :)

This is only affecting you as far as I know, and therefor, I had no idea this was a bug until now.


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#10 2 years ago
"FileTrekker"
"Nemmerle"PM system may appear not to work because there's a permanent unread message on it, at least for mine, but no message in the inbox corresponding. ^^;

If you spot anything like this, add it to the bug tracker. :)

This is only affecting you as far as I know, and therefor, I had no idea this was a bug until now.

I think it's the same thing as this:

https://trello.com/c/kZMqFknw/32-private-messages-not-appearing-in-inbox

:)




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