Ex-Navy S.E.A.L. Calls Military Parade 'Third-World B.S.' 18 replies

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Adrian Ţepeş Forum Mod

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#1 4 months ago

Retired Navy Seal who says he killed Bin Laden calls Trump's military parade 'third world bulls***'


Is he wrong? tonguez.gif

Though to be fair, the U.S. has long-engaged in showboating its military might, but they tended to be a bit subtler than a full-on march through public square.  In my opinion, this is just another example of ego-stroking by the Trump administration.  He just wants everyone to look up and say, "Oooh!  He's really in charge!  He has so much power!  We better not fuck with him!"

However, one of the biggest sources of complaints seems to be coming from military personnel.  I've not seen an official poll or survey, but there have been posts cropping up all saying the same overall thing: Military parades and marching suck.  This sentiment is largely shared by those of my friends who are or were actively serving in the armed forces, and I can judge from personal experience that, yes, marching tends to suck.  

What do you guys think?  Is this a move to rally support and increase national morale, or is it just dumb-ass saber-rattling?


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#2 4 months ago

We don't need a parade to show we are the best.

Parades are for celebrating and getting drunk.


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#3 4 months ago
Posted by Adrian Ţepeş

Retired Navy Seal who says he killed Bin Laden calls Trump's military parade 'third world bulls***'


What do you guys think?  Is this a move to rally support and increase national morale, or is it just dumb-ass saber-rattling?

I don't see how using the military as your ego's tattered cum-rag is meant to do a damn thing for national morale. Then again I've never understood American politics particularly well.

Even the phrase 'National morale' is damned weird. I can totally see it improving hard-line republican morale, among that specific subset of hard-line republicans that don't have any real honour... It's easy to imagine all of them lined up underneath the guy: He jacks off, they jack off - in a sort of ego-fountain, one might say. - Positively bathing in the experience. But there are going to be other people who aren't into the same kink and I doubt they'll like it quite as much.




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#4 4 months ago

Oh yes, and, like our S.E.A.L. friend, there are people who really hate the idea, but American culture is deeply ingrained with military celebrations and pageantry.  The U.S.M.C., in particular, has an excellent PR department, and they use it as often as possible.  


I mean just look at this ad, or really any Marine Corps ad:

 


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Oh yes, and, like our S.E.A.L. friend, there are people who really hate the idea, but American culture is deeply ingrained with military celebrations and pageantry.  The U.S.M.C., in particular, has an excellent PR department, and they use it as often as possible.  


I mean just look at this ad, or really any Marine Corps ad:

confused1.gif You all presumably understand that's not an accurate portrayal of military life. (I'm led to understand there's a lot more sitting in the pissing rain making tired conversation and waiting for sweet FA to happen.) So why doesn't that shit insult you? Why aren't you offended that someone thought you were so credulous that would work?

Like, it's lifestyle advertising - and like most lifestyle advertising it's full of lies and not particularly convincing - for a lifestyle that most of you are never going to have. There might be some vicarious adrenaline in it, but it's not particularly good from an action movie perspective, so I doubt it's that. So why doesn't that function the same way for you as adverts for cars do? You know full well that you have nothing to do with those people, and that the lifestyle it portrays is BS. That's exactly like an advert for a BMW that waffles on about confidence or some such crap as if it's something you can buy. Cars are marketed a lot but no-one feels any kinship with BMW owners, for instance, beyond other BMW owners. (Most of us feel a healthy and natural disgust for their very existence.) Why would this be any different? 

If I put a tiny American flag on my car, and say that the virtues I promise it will give you are American virtues, do my sales go up? Is that how this works? Are people that empty?

To be a little pithy: I don't see how it qualifies as good PR if you know the only reason they're blowing you is they don't have anything else to contribute. Like sure, if you were desperate maybe. But the underlying commentary there isn't that this is particularly good PR but that American culture has fragmented to a degree where this is all that's left of any sort of common dream. That people are so desperate to feel they're part of something, anything beyond themselves, that just being in the market suffices.




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#6 4 months ago

How about this. Instead of spending all that money on a parade, spend that money to help all those veterans who risked their very lives for their country.


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#7 4 months ago
Posted by Lindale How about this. Instead of spending all that money on a parade, spend that money to help all those veterans who risked their very lives for their country.

I dunno, sounds an awful lot like communism... tonguez.gif




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#8 4 months ago

Must say I was a little surprised to see so much criticism for the idea as nationalism and militarism is probably more abundant in the US than in most other western democracies.

Doesn't surprise me at all that Trump would love something like this though.




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Posted by MrFancypants Must say I was a little surprised to see so much criticism for the idea as nationalism and militarism is probably more abundant in the US than in most other western democracies.

Doesn't surprise me at all that Trump would love something like this though.

Dunno, I suppose it might help if he was a bit more photogenic and hadn't gone around slagging off prisoners of war in his pre-election campaign?




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confused1.gif You all presumably understand that's not an accurate portrayal of military life. (I'm led to understand there's a lot more sitting in the pissing rain making tired conversation and waiting for sweet FA to happen.) So why doesn't that shit insult you? Why aren't you offended that someone thought you were so credulous that would work?

Like, it's lifestyle advertising - and like most lifestyle advertising it's full of lies and not particularly convincing - for a lifestyle that most of you are never going to have. There might be some vicarious adrenaline in it, but it's not particularly good from an action movie perspective, so I doubt it's that. So why doesn't that function the same way for you as adverts for cars do? You know full well that you have nothing to do with those people, and that the lifestyle it portrays is BS. That's exactly like an advert for a BMW that waffles on about confidence or some such crap as if it's something you can buy. Cars are marketed a lot but no-one feels any kinship with BMW owners, for instance, beyond other BMW owners. (Most of us feel a healthy and natural disgust for their very existence.) Why would this be any different? 

If I put a tiny American flag on my car, and say that the virtues I promise it will give you are American virtues, do my sales go up? Is that how this works? Are people that empty?

To be a little pithy: I don't see how it qualifies as good PR if you know the only reason they're blowing you is they don't have anything else to contribute. Like sure, if you were desperate maybe. But the underlying commentary there isn't that this is particularly good PR but that American culture has fragmented to a degree where this is all that's left of any sort of common dream. That people are so desperate to feel they're part of something, anything beyond themselves, that just being in the market suffices.

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Pretty much everyone who is or was a servicemember realizes it.  In fact, there are several comics and forums addressing that very point.  And often it does insult them as well as civilians, but there are those who still get pumped up when they see these commercials and movies.  In the movie Jarhead (which is based on the actual experiences of Anthony Swofford) one scene shows Marines cheering during the village raid shown in Apocalypse Now , when such a movie is obviously not pro-war.  Also, you have to remember a lot of these ads are directed at 17 and 18-year-olds whose primary knowledge of the military and war comes from movies, TV, and video games.  

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It is lifestyle advertising, but the primary difference between the military (in this case the Marines) is one of their selling points: "Being a part of something greater than yourself."  And since there are units that do engage in some of the most hostile areas, there is a small bit of truth, and sometimes that's all you need.  Unfortunately, however, there are those who are that credulous.  They're not the only group that takes advantage of people's credulity.  Religious groups do it all the time, so a group that involves guns, explosives, and cool uniforms is all the more attractive.


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Actually...to a degree...yes.  I mean, that's not necessarily the majority of people, but when you see people wearing American flag shorts and hats, it's not that hard to imagine people getting off on that shit.

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I should clarify: when I said good I meant effective, largely for the reasons I mentioned above, but the fact that American culture is the way it is does indeed play a big role in the celebrating the culture of rough, tough men.  Just look at the mottos of some of the famous units:

Rangers: "Rangers Lead the Way"

82nd Airborne: "Death from above"

Special Forces: "To Free the Oppressed."

Navy S.E.A.L.s: "The Only Easy Day Was Yesterday"

Marine Recon: "Swift, Silent, Deadly" 

And those kinds of ideas are especially attractive in a down-turned economy.


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