I think it ultimately comes down to the fact that the staff are human and we have varying levels of tolerance for tasteless humor, and maybe we should enforce it more evenly.
As for personal attacks, I think when you attack a staff member, it isn't a power trip if they ban you, it is simply them thinking to themselves "I'm offended, if they offended a regular member this way, I'd ban them." But, because we can't have this mental conversation with regular members, we often don't realize they are offended. It is hard to read between the lines on a message board. But, I and I'm sure all my compatriots would deal with a situation if you came to us with something you felt offended by.
And most things considered rights merely become privileges on private property.
Pethegreat;5661198There is a difference between free speech and slander. Did he have any real evidence to back his claim?
You don't go to prison for defamation or slander, which is why I find this extremely hard to believe. Do you have anything to corroborate this with, Lindale?
MrFancypants;5661192What if I ban you for it? ;)
Seriously though, please take this up with staff in private. Volunteer staff does not deserve a pillory, regardless of how sure you are of your position.
Seriously though, I was just extending the previous example, not intending to defame him. I've little issue with it. Nobody is perfect, that would be boring. My sister had me...covered, and I've rarely had issue with him before.
I get what you're saying Menace, about only seeing the offense when it's directed at them. And not out of deliberate intent, but just because that's how people see things. Why can't humans be emotionless robots?
Schofield;5661163 Remember Splicer? 80% of the people here were complete and total asses to him, and as annoying as he was, nothing was done about it. But when someone lightly insults a staff member, it usually ends in a talking-to or a temporary ban. [/QUOTE] As said by Red it is difficult to read between the lines as to how annoyed/insulted people are unless they talk to a staff member about the incident. It is similar to real life where a teacher may not realise a child is being bullied, they might see a few incidents in class as pranks or harmless banter because they can only act upon what they see. I've had a kid come up to me (I'm a TA) and say that someone was constantly picking on him which when I told other staff were just as shcoked as I was, as we thought the 2 boys were friends.Obankobi;5661186I have no idea why Splicer stayed so long. He was complained about many, many times to staff. I think sometimes supers (and mods when they were allowed to ban) get a bit power-tripped. They seem to ban not for rule violations or member complaints (with the exception of bots) but rather when they are personally annoyed or get their feelings hurt.
Us orange mods never get to ban anyone. We don't have that power (yet :p).
[QUOTE=Red Menace;5661199]I think it ultimately comes down to the fact that the staff are human and we have varying levels of tolerance for tasteless humor, and maybe we should enforce it more evenly.
From what I see, it is difficult to finally put a ban on a member who has been positively active in the past and is a regular member. Firstly we all have friends here on the forum, I count the majority of you as my friends. If ever in such a position, it would be difficult for me to ban a member such as Silb, Raptor etc. as they are my buddies.
Secondly, as said before, it is difficult to read between the lines. We might think it is a bit of banter but you could be sitting there fuming.
So yeah, I am criticising the staff.
We can no longer be friends.
Personal feelings should never influence a decision, no matter what the situation. Unfortunately, every once in a while they do end up doing that. I've sent warnings to people I'd consider friends, and removed posts that I had no personal problems with, but were against the rules nevertheless.
In all that, there's something to remember; report it if you find it offensive. Hell, if you think someone else might be slightly offended, report it. Or if you find yourself wronged or feel someone is abusing their powers, contact an admin. There's a reason there are five of them.
Mister Angry Rules Guy
1st February 2010
[COLOR=SeaGreen]In my case, I was raised by strict Victorian standards, so I want to report things all the time. The reason I do not is because I know that the sheer number would just annoy the supermods (even though they sometimes could use the work).[/COLOR]
Granyaski;5661296Us orange mods never get to ban anyone. We don't have that power (anymore :p).
[COLOR=SeaGreen]Fixed. Regular mods cannot ban, not after......the......incident.[/COLOR] :rolleyes:
Snipes With Artillery
22nd March 2005
Silb, I think that you're sorta removed from the issue of "N-word". Although you are an avid consumer of American society, I have doubts that you have quite the understanding of race relations and all of the context behind that word that might be shared, by, say, a black American.
I believe at one point you have used the Confederate Battle Flag in a signature? This is not to say that you wish that the Confederate States of America, explicitly founded upon the supremacy of the white man and enslavement of the black man, had won the American Civil War, but probably that you have enjoyed products of the American South (like Johnny Cash and Nashville music in general) or things that are popular there (like American muscle cars). To you, the Battle Flag represents all the cool things about Southern Culture. To some Southerners, that flag represents their culture. To others, that flag represents a violent rebellion against a lawfully elected president based solely on the suspicion that he would limit the expansion of the enslavement of an entire race of people to western US territories, and the violent legal and extralegal oppression of blacks and other minorities since those rebels were utterly whomped in combat. Can you see how perhaps the pleasure you would derive from using that word would be significantly less than the discomfort/pain/anger caused by others reading that word?
Granted, you just gave this as one example, I'm curious to hear your other complaints/examples in a private message.
Lindale, are you sure about the prison thing? I can see him fighting the beef lobby for 10 years, they have a bunch of lawyers and a strong desire that no-one says anything bad about them ever, but the prison sentence seems a bit much.
Mister Angry Rules Guy
1st February 2010
[COLOR=SeaGreen]No. He actually did get sent to prison. After a year, he was able to negotiate his release, but he still had the marks on his record for the next several years. It took thousands of dollars worth of fines, and court dates to get that stuff off his record. [/COLOR]
You could back this up with a few sources Lindale, 'cause right now I don't believe you, not sure anyone here does.
Obankobi;5661323You could back this up with a few sources Lindale, 'cause right now I don't believe you, not sure anyone here does.
The most the beef lobby could get out of someone might be a nice lawsuit since slander is a civil matter, not a criminal offense. I could go and say that beef is made out of people and at most they could slap me a cease and desist order/ court summons if they believe they have damages.
And to get compensation for damages they would have to prove that what he said was untrue.