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Ipse

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#21 6 years ago

Can someone put the OP in tl;dr form?




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#22 6 years ago

tl;dr - Unbalanced moderation, especially with regards to what is said = bad




Ipse

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#23 6 years ago

Ah, I remember when me and Jeffro posted Swastikas or someshit on this site because we disliked something (can't remember what it was) MrFancypants did. Got temp banned for it.

Meh. Can't say I didn't deserve that.




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#24 6 years ago

BTW, sorry if I offended anyone of the staff.

@Grany: We were never friends, I was your sexual toy only, and you know that very well :mad:

MrFancypantsAs for the OP being a bit miffed at not having his suggestion applied - we can't make it right for everyone. [/quote]

I got a little offended by the sentence, but would I to report something as that, I think I'd be laguhed at =p Just as an example... I don't really care if I get offended or not (not that it's such a big issue... I just got a real stupid way of taking words and such), and it's right.

But I still don't really agree with that it's easier to get away by insulting a mod than it insulting a regular... I just can't buy it, since, yeah, most of the members here are humans (I think... I'm pretty sure that the communist members are all bots) it's quite easy to get personal feelings involved in whatever happens, and regulars don't have much more power than reporting... Which, I'd guess, actions will be taken depending on the situation.

But what is clear, is that it's really calm and nicely moderated here (comparing to other forums I've been to) and since I joined and all the time I've been here, this is the very first and I'm assured the last time I'll ever find an issue that grinds my gear.

Crazy Wolf;5661317Silb, I think that you're sorta removed from the issue of "N-word". Although you are an avid consumer of American society, I have doubts that you have quite the understanding of race relations and all of the context behind that word that might be shared, by, say, a black American.

I do, and though I've never been to the US or met an actual African-American or anything, I can kind of relate to it, since here, as you might know, migration is quite open, and in my school only I would guess there's over 100 nationalities, some raised here, others don't, so there are issues with words and the fight of who's racist and what-not. My struggle with this, is that I find it so utterly stupid to get all pissed over words, of a concept that to this society is completely obsolete, and this is not only the N-word =p Drifting away a bit from the main topic, my problem is just that I have the dream of bringing down all these racial and social negative stereotypes and the general ignorance I've seen pretty much everywhere... At this point I don't really give a spacial fuck about if the N-word is allowed or not... I can joke around as a Mexican "gangsta" on the forum, since I already had the image of being the Forum Mexican once... The damn word isn't the issue for me right now, I'm not "miffed" over it... I just blame my bloody liberality ideas... But then again, not everyone knows what I think about society, nor will anyone in maybe even 100 years, not even ever...

I believe at one point you have used the Confederate Battle Flag in a signature? This is not to say that you wish that the Confederate States of America, explicitly founded upon the supremacy of the white man and enslavement of the black man, had won the American Civil War, but probably that you have enjoyed products of the American South (like Johnny Cash and Nashville music in general) or things that are popular there (like American muscle cars). To you, the Battle Flag represents all the cool things about Southern Culture. To some Southerners, that flag represents their culture. To others, that flag represents a violent rebellion against a lawfully elected president based solely on the suspicion that he would limit the expansion of the enslavement of an entire race of people to western US territories, and the violent legal and extralegal oppression of blacks and other minorities since those rebels were utterly whomped in combat. Can you see how perhaps the pleasure you would derive from using that word would be significantly less than the discomfort/pain/anger caused by others reading that word?

As I understand, both the CSA and the Union used slaves and none of them wanted really to abolish it :lookaround:

But yes, I know exactly what you mean... It's all about the point of view, that's true. It's another thing that just pisses me off of society, like the Swastika, originally some Indian thing and now everyone just knows it's the "nazi symbol"... I guess there are things you just have to get over =p

Thanks, by the way.

[QUOTE=Obankobi;5661323]You could back this up with a few sources Lindale, 'cause right now I don't believe you, not sure anyone here does.

I do believe it. I know this lad who had to go under surveillance for about 3 years for saying something about planting a bomb one time he was drunk and pissed off about something... And that was in Denmark, so I can imagine what Lindale says is true.


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#25 6 years ago
Einherjar Silberio;5661376As I understand, both the CSA and the Union used slaves and none of them wanted really to abolish it :lookaround:

No, slavery had been abolished almost entirely above the Mason-Dixon line (the North/Union) by 1804. However, during the Civil War, border states (slave-holding states below the Mason-Dixon line that remained loyal to the Federal Union) were exempt from decrees passed against the rebellious South, including the emancipation proclamation, as Lincoln's priority was maintaining the Union and not the abolition of slavery. But, after the Civil War, the Thirteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution abolished slavery outright.

And that's my US history lesson for the day.




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#26 6 years ago
Einherjar Silberio;5661376 I got a little offended by the sentence, but would I to report something as that, I think I'd be laguhed at =p Just as an example... I don't really care if I get offended or not (not that it's such a big issue... I just got a real stupid way of taking words and such), and it's right.

Sorry, I didn't mean to offend you. It is easy to misinterpretate text, especially if it is written by a non-native speaker and read by another non-native speaker.

But consider how you being offended of what was meant to be in a harmless tone would extrapolate to allowing hatespeech.

But I still don't really agree with that it's easier to get away by insulting a mod than it insulting a regular... I just can't buy it, since, yeah, most of the members here are humans (I think... I'm pretty sure that the communist members are all bots) it's quite easy to get personal feelings involved in whatever happens, and regulars don't have much more power than reporting... Which, I'd guess, actions will be taken depending on the situation.

I didn't say it is easier to get away with it, but your chances to be banned for it are lower, despite all the imperfections that staff being human and in positions of authority entail. Still wouldn't press my luck as insulting staff surely gets you noticed.

But what is clear, is that it's really calm and nicely moderated here (comparing to other forums I've been to) and since I joined and all the time I've been here, this is the very first and I'm assured the last time I'll ever find an issue that grinds my gear.

Thanks, good to see that someone appreciates the work that the mods put in here.




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#27 6 years ago
Einherjar Silberio;5661376But yes, I know exactly what you mean... It's all about the point of view, that's true. It's another thing that just pisses me off of society, like the Swastika, originally some Indian thing and now everyone just knows it's the "nazi symbol"... I guess there are things you just have to get over =p

[COLOR=SeaGreen] That is indeed true. The swastika is a symbol that originated in Hinduism. In the original Sanskrit, it translates to English as [/COLOR][COLOR=SeaGreen] "to be good." It is entirely a positive symbol, and it represents eternity, and is commonly used to channel the empowerment force known as "Shakti," or for summoning the "Mother Goddess, Manasā." The items with that symbol carved onto them are used in meditation, or sometimes in spellcasting.

The proper usage is to have it on the side, like a square. Here are a few examples in their PROPER usage:

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The bastardization of the symbol by the Nazis was in their erroneous search for the Aryan Race, who they believed were the descendants of Atlantis. To recap, the Nazis thought they were descendants of a lost island in in the Atlantic Ocean, but were using a Hindu/Buddhist symbol as their own (:wiener:).... In any case, their usage was to turn the symbol onto an angle, a diamond, which can be equated to turning a crucifix upside down. It is nothing more than a misuse.

So that said, my perspective on the matter is that I have no problem with a symbol or a phrase, as long as it is used PROPERLY, and in its native context. The moment you take a positive symbol, and turn it into a symbol of hatred, then I may start to complain. [/COLOR]


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#28 6 years ago

When the original Jyllands-Posten Mohammed caricatures were published back in 2005, these forums were a lot more active and that topic was discussed in the Pub intensively. Some Muslims behind one of the sponsors for FileFront requested that all the images should be removed. The images were removed and the discussion was censored based on outside pressure.

I think that was unacceptable, and there was no reason to do that since these forums are hosted on US servers. But I guess it was too an important sponsor then.