Gamer culture is sexist against women? 27 replies

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berm

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#21 6 years ago

... The first one does seem a bit sexist. I mean why's she out there in her underwear? Why are the police male? And most importantly, to my mind: Why is she kneeling? You can't expect me to believe that if a male had been cast in that role that he'd be on his knees - he'd be being portrayed as an instrument of terror.

Whether this reflects the state of gaming culture as a whole is something I have issue with, whether it's sexist... it blatantly is. You cannot, I think, cast a woman in a submissive role that you'd not have cast a man in and make an argument in the other direction, you have to acknowledge that that says certain things about how the people who made the advert perceive the role of women within society.




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#22 6 years ago

Well the bloody female torso doesn't help. It was obviously meant to be provoking and looks like something people with a really sick fetish would buy.

Nemmerle;5680358... The first one does seem a bit sexist. I mean why's she out there in her underwear? Why are the police male? And most importantly, to my mind: Why is she kneeling? You can't expect me to believe that if a male had been cast in that role that he'd be on his knees - he'd be being portrayed as an instrument of terror.

Whether this reflects the state of gaming culture as a whole is something I have issue with, whether it's sexist... it blatantly is. You cannot, I think, cast a woman in a submissive role that you'd not have cast a man in and make an argument in the other direction, you have to acknowledge that that says certain things about how the people who made the advert perceive the role of women within society.

It might appear sexist to people who don't know the setting. The trailer wasn't released with any background info and obviously they were going for the sex and gore bonus here, but the story behind it, from what I can conjecture, is that a woman who overindulged in cybernetics (which tends to cause insanity and killing sprees in the Cyberpunk world) went crazy in her sleep, killed a bunch of people and jumped out of a window (glass shards flying everywhere). Maybe after that she went into shock, which would explain why the guy from the special unit didn't kill her but recruited her for his squad. That the cops are male doesn't seem so odd.

If you look closely you can see that sexism is something the people who made the trailer are aware of and that is supposed to be part of their fictional world.




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#23 6 years ago

People needa stop gettin' so butthurt 'bout shit. Would it be better if they use a man's torso with the bikini instead?




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#24 6 years ago

MrFancypants;5680359It might appear sexist to people who don't know the setting. The trailer wasn't released with any background info and obviously they were going for the sex and gore bonus here, but the story behind it, from what I can conjecture, is that a woman who overindulged in cybernetics (which tends to cause insanity and killing sprees in the Cyberpunk world) went crazy in her sleep, killed a bunch of people and jumped out of a window (glass shards flying everywhere). Maybe after that she went into shock, which would explain why the guy from the special unit didn't kill her but recruited her for his squad. That the cops are male doesn't seem so odd.

If you look closely you can see that sexism is something the people who made the trailer are aware of and that is supposed to be part of their fictional world.

Just having a story behind something doesn't stop it being sexist though. That narrative would work equally well for a male, from a consistency perspective. But you probably wouldn't portray a male character that way because helplessness isn't perceived to be attractive in men.

Neither does the fact they may be trying to portray a crap-sack world really answer the choice of a female character over a male one.

Pretty much the only thing that does seem likely to explain it is that they think, whether justified or not, that they can work the sexual attraction angle and that it seems natural to them to write that sort of role/story for a woman.




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#25 6 years ago

Nemmerle;5680363Just having a story behind something doesn't stop it being sexist though. That narrative would work equally well for a male, from a consistency perspective. But you probably wouldn't portray a male character that way because helplessness isn't perceived to be attractive in men.

Neither does the fact they may be trying to portray a crap-sack world really answer the choice of a female character over a male one.

Pretty much the only thing that does seem likely to explain it is that they think, whether justified or not, that they can work the sexual attraction angle and that it seems natural to them to write that sort of role/story for a woman.

Isn't that rather sexist in itself to say that a male character wouldn't be portrayed the same way?




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#26 6 years ago

I don't really see how. You mean that I'm implying that men in general have a different view of desirable gender roles for the sexes than women do? (Well, I'm not really sure that desirable's even the right word there - to an extent it may just be the way reality looks from there) Or ...

Edit: I suppose the assumption may be that I'm being sexist against men in that they wouldn't be cast there, while some men are actually weak and submissive. I certainly agree that there's an angle that can be worked in that male culture can be very toxic... struggle to think of the last time I saw a guy smile in the media or laugh or crack a decent joke - well, outside of a comedy club anyway. But, again, I'm not really sure of the relevance to this specific case.




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#27 6 years ago

That woman is sexist against the gaming culture. The gaming culture isn't sexist.




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#28 6 years ago

Nemmerle;5680363Just having a story behind something doesn't stop it being sexist though. That narrative would work equally well for a male, from a consistency perspective. But you probably wouldn't portray a male character that way because helplessness isn't perceived to be attractive in men.

Neither does the fact they may be trying to portray a crap-sack world really answer the choice of a female character over a male one.

Pretty much the only thing that does seem likely to explain it is that they think, whether justified or not, that they can work the sexual attraction angle and that it seems natural to them to write that sort of role/story for a woman.

I don't think helplessness plays a big role in that trailer (I wouldn't define a person who doesn't care about rifle bullets as helpless anyway). They probably just wanted to place the woman in the center of attention. I agree that the trailer is sexist to the degree that they wanted to exploit sexuality as advertisement - but that degree of sexism is everywhere and not as harmful, in my opinion, as more subliminal forms of sexism (e.g. not paying a woman the same wage).

You could just as easily make a case that this trailer is sexist against men. Most of the men are behind masks, obviously dehumanizing and reducing them to their stereotypical violent behavior. Even the smart cop's first impulse is to blow the girl's head off. But apparently he is too amoral for that; instead of enforcing the law he recruits the murderer due to the usefulness of her implants.

But making that sort of point would be stretching it - you can find sexism everywhere you look, but it would make more sense to start with the big issues. In the case of this trailer we don't have a big issue, it is simply an attempt by some nerds to create something artistics (not a bad one, in my opinion) and make a lot of money in the process.