From the "Suggestions" thread.
Let's all take a look at how GRAEME contradicts himself, shall we? Could be fun, so buckle up.
G.R.A.E.M.E.;5652875 Yes, you can say those words (referring to chink, mick, wop, russky, hillbilly, jap, hun, kraut, faggot) and not the N-word, because the latter is more-so racism whereas the rest is not even remotely close to that. [/QUOTE]
So, basically, "nig" is worse (because blacks are special?) than the rest. Okay....sure....
Then we have this
G.R.A.E.M.E.;5653293 You miss the point. The point being that there will be someone who'll join at a certain point in time who'll be of the stereotypes. Why take the risk as an organization/community/etc., at all? [/QUOTE]
Hm, seems he doesn't care about offending Chinese, gays, Japanese, etc.
And finally, this gem.
[QUOTE=G.R.A.E.M.E.;5653293] As said, the other ones are just as bad....
Woah! Not said by you Mr.!! Not at all what he said earlier at all! Looks like someone is learning a few things from Mitt Romney.
But was his statement naive?
[QUOTE=G.R.A.E.M.E.;5653293] Please, shut down and don't even tell anyone this just-as-naive statement.
According to himself, it was.
GRAEME, while I can understand your fears of people coming here and being offended, you're only worried about blacks. That, sir, is actual racism. Saying "nig" isn't, unless it is said in a derogatory fashion. No one here is planning to go around shouting "nig" on the top of their lungs. They're (myself included) are tired of the selective protection and prejudice that leads to such silly censorship.
In the future, do avoid back peddling. It doesn't invalidate your argument, but realistically, people will perceive your credibility diminish.
I'm spending a year dead for tax reasons.
15th December 2002
Personally I can't think of a single situation where the N-word is needed, nor would I like to see it used, on these forums, outside of historical context.
I agree entirely however that the rather large list of derogatory terms Graeme refers too are potentially just as offensive, and I don't particularly want to see them used either.
Some of those terms seem to cause less offense purely because their particular group or culture is less prevalent either on these forums or society in general, but they're all equally as offensive.
I'd be lying if I said I've never used the word faggot however. Certainly not in recent history and I doubt I'd use it now, but it is something people would easily throw around in the spam forum (unfortunately) for example, whereas N-words a lot less so.
But I actually agree with the original philosophy that if you're going to censor the N-Word, censor the others, or non at all. It's down to the user to behave him or herself, censoring the word doesn't actually do anything to change the fact the user has gone and posted it anyway, so the issue would still need to be addressed by a moderator or above.
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I can't think of a situation either, really. My main issue isn't "let us post the n-word", but as you said, all or none. It's pure racism to say one is bad and the others are good. That's what has me rather peeved.
7th December 2003
Can't speak for others, but I don't find "Kraut" to be very offensive. I doubt that many Germans would. But then again, Germans haven't been subjected to racism like the black population in the US and the times of extreme nationalism in Europe, where words like "Kraut" might have caused offense, seem to be over. The history of your society plays a role in how offensive a word is considered to be. Maybe that is what Graeme was getting at.
Perhaps. If so, I still consider it a bit narrow, as what isn't offensive in his country may well be offensive in others. The premise that some are okay but this one isn't is flawed.
Einherjar Silberio;5653221 BTW, Anson, would you get offended if I made fun of the "gangsta's"?
The answer: maybe.
As a black individual I just want to say that racism as a whole and the use of racial slurs is all relative and dependent. To answer Einherjar, would I get offended if you made fun of gangstas? Perhaps a little. But it has more to do with the fact that I don't know you than it does anything else. I shall explain.
Walk into a community of strange black people (by strange, I mean you don't know them) and say that word. What do you think would happen to you? Nothing pleasant I can assure you... So for all intents and purposes, to everyone on these forums I am a strange black guy, because I really don't know any of you on a personal level.
NOW, I have white friends. Plenty of white friends... I'm in college, it was bound to happen eventually :p. Anyway, I have white friends with an assorted music collection, much like myself, who listen to anything from rap, rock, so video game soundtracks. So if you guys know rap music, the N-Word is prominent in most of it. Whatever. SO when me and these few friends are around and we're all rapping the songs, I don't have an issue with them saying the word. There are also scenarios outside of listening to rap music that I don't mind them saying the word.
But really whether or not a person that isn't a minority can say the word is all relative, and dependent on the black people in question. Because we all know a lot of you will say that shit when no one is around... and thats okay. Just be mindful. The same way that if you made fun of Republican candidates in a room full of republicans, or say "F*CK the White Sox" on the south side of Chicago in a train full of White Sox fans, you won't make fun of gangstas around black people you don't know, or say the n-word around black people who aren't comfortable with you saying it around them.
Its all about being mindful of your surroundings, yo.
I think what you said holds true for nearly every insult, racial or otherwise. Sure, I call my room mate a retard and tell him I hate him (you should hear his puns. Dear gods). I hardly mean it, and he knows that. But doing the same to a random person on the street would probably make them angry or feel bad about themselves.
Voice of joy and sunshine
26th May 2003
It's not that any of them are okay, in general polite conversation at least, but just that we've only really had this one abused. If the others turn into a problem (by someone who's not just taking the piss to try and get us to do things) I imagine we'd end up banning them. But - do you really need to make an issue out of this when no-one was using any of them anyway? If people were going around calling people wiggers or whatever the fuck racially related insults are in vogue these days and we were just banning the n-word, then I could see your point. But that's not the way this has been going down.
The only difference is the mass opinion of the N-Word vs other insults. Two white guys can be in public and one of them says to the other in a joking context, "Dude you're such a dumbass" and no one will give him grief, even people who don't know he's kidding. Switch it to the N-Word and people will make a huge case about it, especially if its a white guy to a black guy and there are other black people around. They'll get very defensive even if they aren't in the situation simply because thats how we've been socialized to respond.
Nemmerle;5653382It's not that any of them are okay, in general polite conversation at least, but just that we've only really had this one abused. If the others turn into a problem (by someone who's not just taking the piss to try and get us to do things) I imagine we'd end up banning them. But - do you really need to make an issue out of this when no-one was using any of them anyway? If people were going around calling people wiggers or whatever the fuck racially related insults are in vogue these days and we were just banning the n-word, then I could see your point. But that's not the way this has been going down.
I think you've misunderstood the point of this discussion. It's not an attempt to get anything to change. It's a discussion on why I can't say nig every now and then, but can say chink all I'd like. It's not a practical discussion, but one of principle.
You say there were problems with nig before, and that's why it's banned. Well, okay, who abused it? They're probably gone from the forums now.
It would be a relatively simple matter to lift the ban, and reinstate it if someone is a tit about it. I bet no one would use it, except on rare occasion.
Look at what happened with CAPS abuse. Once it was allowed again, a few people were all OH LOOK CAPS, but then it died down, and people use it with the same frequency as when you had to do that [email] thing or use nct.
The reason it won't be unbanned is primarily racially motivated, out of some weird need to protect black people. Yes groups of "blacks" have been oppressed. Just like every single other "race" on the whole damn planet. It's an offensive word, but so is fuck, so is tits, so is chink. People say naughty things, and people here take it a bit too seriously IMO.