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#61 9 years ago

Cars = DUI's




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#62 9 years ago
MrFancypants;5060448Well, since you're not explaining your position I'll just post what I can assume using your last posts as reference. Seems to me as if you are referring to the nazis and their practice of forcing Jews to wear certain signs. Obviously Judaism is a religion, so your description of signs used to describe the political background is wrong. Furthermore, the symbol that Jews were required to wear was a David's Star, not a triangle. You are probably confusing this with triangles that were used in concentration camps to identify the type of prisoner.

I was actually referring to Jehovah's Witnesses and people whose political beliefs included nonviolence or pacfism, I believe they wore purple and red triangles(red triangles covered a wide range, but pacifists were within that range).

Your post is not only flawed but also a rather tasteless and inappropriate accusation. It is also in no way a stereotype to say that all Germans are nazis (or, if you use your symbology, concentration camp guards)- it is rather an insult. Which you are of course fully aware of since you refused to explain your post in more detail.

I didn't see your post before Donutz's bomb post, sorry. There is a stereotype of Germans as Nazis, whether you like it or not. It is just as alive as the stereotype of Americans as fat, aggressive boors who empty the magazine when they use their guns, which is, of course, every day, as we always immediately resort to guns instead of other means.

So even if I did use stereotypes this would be in no way an appropriate answer. As it happens I didn't use any stereotypes though as I explained earlier.

I did use a particularly offensive stereotype, I'm sorry for that, but please don't dismiss a source just because it's American. That really got to me. By the reasoning of "there are politics surrounding the issue, so Americans can't know anything about it" you used earlier, you also invalidate all contraception research, all abortion research, and all information concerning drugs, tobacco, and alcohol performed by anyone in the USA. This would be akin to saying that a German can't know anything about France, since there's been so much fighting over Alsace, or that Israelis can't have any real knowledge of the Arab world, because there is disagreement among citizens on how to deal with their neighbors. And yes, you did use a stereotype.

That aside your behavior in general only proves my point. If you can't be trusted not to use insults in an internet discussion then it would probably not be a bright idea to trust you with a weapon when you might end up in a much more heated real life debate.

Riiiight. So if someone loses at the game "Operation", then they can't be a surgeon? Someone who sucks at Guitar Hero can't be a musician? The stakes are completely different here than in a much more heated real life debate.




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#63 9 years ago
Crazy Wolf;5061102I was actually referring to Jehovah's Witnesses and people whose political beliefs included nonviolence or pacfism, I believe they wore purple and red triangles(red triangles covered a wide range, but pacifists were within that range).

Like I said, the triangle was used to identify the type of prisoner in concentration camps, I went with Jews as they were the most common type.

I didn't see your post before Donutz's bomb post, sorry. There is a stereotype of Germans as Nazis, whether you like it or not. It is just as alive as the stereotype of Americans as fat, aggressive boors who empty the magazine when they use their guns, which is, of course, every day, as we always immediately resort to guns instead of other means.

It is not. I know enough Americans to say this with some certainity - while WW2 can come up in discussions most Americans understand that there is a difference between Nazi-Germany of 1945 and the Federal Republic of Germany of 2009. Also, I never said that Americans are fat, aggressive boors who empty their magazine into their targets, I said that it is common practice to shoot more than once when using a 9mm weapon with the intent to kill. Maybe my use of the word American was ambigous, but I didn't mean it as insult but rather to point out that Americans are more exposed to guns than, for example, Germans and are therefore more likely to know how to properly use a gun.

I did use a particularly offensive stereotype, I'm sorry for that, but please don't dismiss a source just because it's American. That really got to me. By the reasoning of "there are politics surrounding the issue, so Americans can't know anything about it" you used earlier, you also invalidate all contraception research, all abortion research, and all information concerning drugs, tobacco, and alcohol performed by anyone in the USA. This would be akin to saying that a German can't know anything about France, since there's been so much fighting over Alsace, or that Israelis can't have any real knowledge of the Arab world, because there is disagreement among citizens on how to deal with their neighbors. And yes, you did use a stereotype.

I think you just misunderstood me, I didn't mean to say that all American sources are wrong, I just tried to say that a lot of them are probably biased in one way or another when it comes to such issues. Similarly I wouldn't say that Germans/Israelis are the most objective people when it comes to talking about France/Arabs. Not that I won't listen when an Israeli general talks about warcrimes in Gaza, but I will certainly be more inclined to believe an independent organization.

Riiiight. So if someone loses at the game "Operation", then they can't be a surgeon? Someone who sucks at Guitar Hero can't be a musician? The stakes are completely different here than in a much more heated real life debate.

If the game "Operation" was the only reference I had for deciding whether a person can be a surgeon, then yeah. I wouldn't let people operate on me if they can't tell a heart from a liver in a videogame.

Anyway, we went pretty far from the original debate by now. Let's just agree that your laws are much better when it comes to dealing with a zombie-apocalypse.




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#64 9 years ago

Yes. When a zombie-apocalypse wracks the earth, then the heavily armed populace of the USA will unite, eradicate the threat, and then advance on the rest of the world. Germany's got a good winter, it'll be good to work against zombies then.

Zombie-apocalypse buddies?:deal:




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#65 9 years ago
Crazy Wolf;5061203 Zombie-apocalypse buddies?:deal:

Sure, if you have the L4D2 demo we can start practicing right away :)