How do you suppose your contemptible acquaintance(s) got so good? 13 replies

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#1 4 months ago

I mean if you have any such acquaintances.




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#2 4 months ago

Could you elaborate?


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#3 4 months ago

I don't understand how some people around me who seem to spend a lot of time faffing about are in well off positions, relatively speaking.




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#4 4 months ago

There are LOADS of careers out there that don't hire or promote based on intelligence, ethics, or hard work.  It really doesn't take much preternatural talent to be a power-seeking asshole who does just enough to get by without getting in trouble.  And it's much easier to do that if you're in charge of good workers who are expected to be good workers that you can screw over if/when the time comes.  Retail is PACKED with these malignant individuals, and many of them invariably end up as managers.  


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#5 4 months ago

Most people who end up in positions of power don't have any training or understanding of organisational structures, control systems... anything like that. I remember senior managers who didn't know what a Gantt chart was. I remember organisations that thought that a monthly review where the questions were all asked against a matrix of values actually helped things rather than just being a resented feth where we all marketed ourselves in terms of the org's BS. (Like in the latter case they thought they were promoting an organisational culture, and they were - just not a culture that anyone sane would want.)

Now, if you're not investing quite a lot in terms of effort and knowledge into managing people and into systems, then it's hard to tell the difference between people who are just slimy and people who are good at what they do. Most people who are 'in charge' are just muddling through on something sounding good to them when it falls out of their mouths. And that's very exploitable; you just have to appeal to what makes them feel good about themselves - to them that looks the same as being good at your job.

It's easy to see if someone's shit when you work for them. Honestly, most of what we ask from our managers is that they leave us alone because we've become so used to people being shit. But when you don't work for them... well, then you've either got to know enough to look into a process that you don't directly participate in by default, or you're stuffed.

It's not a problem of evil... not directly anyway... it's a matter of relative information and a lack of expertise.




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#6 4 months ago

I'm not only talking about that. I'm more so talking about, for example, PhD students that I see that have so many whims and fancies. I don't know how they manage their time (maybe they're missing out on sleep or something else crucial). It's mostly the girls. They'll go through so much time and effort to dye their hair get ridiculous piercings and what not. Some of them literally lose their shit if they can't get an occasional smoke. Others are stuffing their FB pages with "sexy" photos of themselves.


I mean I understand you shouldn't judge a book by it's cover but I've had the misfortune of associating with some of them on a less than superficial level and my prejudices seem to be confirmed. If I were to follow this up, I just don't get where they get the time for half of this superficial nonsense or how they actually got where they got with the kinds of attitudes they have.


Maybe it's just as you guys said. They do just good enough for their jobs but no more. Though I was under the impression that even enough would take more than what they have time for.




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#7 4 months ago
  1. Maybe their frivolities take less time than you think.
  2. Maybe they were born naturally faster, intellectually speaking, than you are.
  3. Maybe they spend what time they have more efficiently than you do.
  4. Maybe they're involved in less demanding tasks than you are.



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#8 4 months ago

I just don't get how someone with that mindset gets to that level of efficiency, if true.




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#9 4 months ago

It stands to reason that if you've been doing something a certain way for so long you get good at it, maybe even good enough to the point where you make everything else work around it.  It's a bit like with military academies.  Cadets and midshipmen live an extremely regimented lifestyle where they are expected to maintain acceptable grades while also getting up early every weekday, doing physical training, attending drill, and keeping up appearances.  I'm just guessing here, but is it that you feel in this case the other students are a bit spoiled?  I definitely have met students like that, and there are some who somehow have time for all the trivialities who get ahead just fine, but believe me when I say I've also seen a lot more students who goof off and get the shit end of the stick when it comes to grades and learning.

Now I don't know how difficult graduate physics schedules are, but your sentiment of just good enough is not enough to get by seems accurate given what I've read about such programs.  Honestly, I'm not sure what to say in that regard.  Maybe they picked up the right - relatively speaking - habits from undergrad that they transferred to grad school and somehow make it work.  


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#10 4 months ago

Maybe so

Posted by Adrian Ţrumpeş

 I'm just guessing here, but is it that you feel in this case the other students are a bit spoiled?

Yep. Not only that. Some seem so capricious at times I'm surprised they make proper decisions. One moment they'll be all nice, next they'll lash out and often it seems like they don't know what they want.




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