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N88TR

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#71 11 years ago

I don't know what to say here.

I mean white means white, Caucasian. That's the typical definition of it. Asians are just that, Asian. There are various races, each is unique and not inter-changeable. This shit is like "40 is the new 50" that kind of dumb shit. It's meaningless.

By saying something is the "new" whatever that sort of assumes the new thing is better. Why are Asians better? We're all men and women with goals and passions, no race is better than any other. Are there more physical Asian bodies out there? Fuck knows, maybe. So what, that makes them the new whites just because there are more of them?

It's hard for me to answer this without sounding racist, which I am not.




NiteStryker

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#72 11 years ago

I dont get the general obsession that alot of white guys have with asian chics.




The_Geek_With_The_Gun

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#73 11 years ago

Well since there are actually zero asian chics (no asian guys either) in my town, we dont have that "obsession" here.




Admiral Donutz Advanced Member

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#74 11 years ago
Warborg;4955978Conforming to American ones? I'm sorry but if the parents come to America to live the American dream they can't stop there and say they want to keep their family traditions...if they love their "family traditions" so much... stay where they grew up. Again...don't leave home and move to another country.

You do realize that no immigrant is likely to give up all of their original habbits, cultural things, values, view and so on, do you?

Intergration can only go so far, people are not hard drives that you can simply whipe clean and start a new (format and reinstall), they will keep the memories of their past. Some will fade away in time, the may even forget most of their native language. And yes, an immigrant should learn the language of the country he moved to and respect the laws of said country and respecting the cultural do's an don'ts. The immigrant might even copy some of the culture, picking the ones they like but probably never copying the cultural aspects the oppose unless they themselves change their morals and views as time goes by.

If I would move abroad, be it to Japan, to Australia, to Canada, to the US, to Zimbabwe, Egypt, Iran, Spain, Brazil, Greenland, Russia or where ever else, I'd learn the language, learn about the laws and abide them, learn about the do's and don'ts (granted you should have a general understanding before you migrate as you will have a very hard time if the country you migrate to opposes your views in every possible way) and basically get to know what it is all about to live there. I porbably would adopt some of their eating and drinking habbits, some cultural things that I like (how does family interact, hwo is the interaction with friends, stranger, colleagues etc.?) but I would also continue to speak my own language (Dutch), visit my family back home and/or have them visit me, keep eatign and drinking various Dutch things which I have gerw up with and developed a taste for. I would keep many of the morals and views I have.

But to be completely assimilated? I think that is completely or nearly impossible. Some may intergrate more then others but certain roots will always remain.

And if you would move aboard, should you be expect to give up eve view, moral, habbit and such you grew up with and always believed in? Let's say you would be a nationalistic person (you know, having a flag of your country hanging from your house, taking "pride" in your country and all that stuff) and you would move to, let's say, the Netherlands. A place where such nationalism would be frowned upon, Where people might say behind your back, or straight in your face that they find it silly that you do these things I discribed above. Would you give stop waving that flag of either your home country or new country? Would you stop celebrating the national festivities of your home or new country because in the new country people generally don't quite share those feelings?

To me migration means moving to a country, learning the language, abiding the law, respecting (or tolerating) their habbits even if I may strongly oppose of them myself, not taking over the aspects of the country which I do not like (or might even discomfort, offend or disgust me) and taking over the bits that I do like. Becoming a citizen and becoming part of a society while maintaining my own individual, unique identity.




nexuo

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#75 11 years ago

I agree with you Donutz. But than again this is most likely because i have done all that what you described, here in NL. But even no matter how hard i try and had given up on. There are always people that still refuses to see me as Dutch, purely looking at skin color/origin.

But what i personally find more 'interesting' is that actually lots of western Europeans i have met in the capital expect the same from foreigners that's not from Europe to adapt and complain loudly when they dont. Where themselves doesn't adapt, like Irish, British. Whom has been here for decades and yet still can't or wont even speak Dutch. Including a boss i worked for (he is Irish). It feels absurd i had to translate letters/writings to Dutch<->English for him. Where he is white & European and i'm full blood Asian not born here.

As for Warborgs comment... it seems so far right to me, it might just fall off the face of the earth like many people though 512+ years ago would happen if you went too far.




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#76 11 years ago

nexuo;4958279I agree with you Donutz. But than again this is most likely because i have done all that what you described, here in NL. But even no matter how hard i try and had given up on. There are always people that still refuses to see me as Dutch, purely looking at skin color/origin.

But what i personally find more 'interesting' is that actually lots of western Europeans i have met in the capital expect the same from foreigners that's not from Europe to adapt and complain loudly when they dont. Where themselves doesn't adapt, like Irish, British. Whom has been here for decades and yet still can't or wont even speak Dutch. Including a boss i worked for (he is Irish). It feels absurd i had to translate letters/writings to Dutch<->English for him. Where he is white & European and i'm full blood Asian not born here.

As for Warborgs comment... it seems so far right to me, it might just fall off the face of the earth like many people though 512+ years ago would happen if you went too far.

Indeed. If people demand (as unrealistic as it is) for people to be completely assimilated I'd expect (demand?) of them that they would do the same if they would emmigrate to an other country. TO become a "perfect" Frenchman, Spaniard, American or better yet if they'd move to a culture far more different like the middle east, asia, africa or latin america. I wonder if they could move to let's say, thailand and leave behind everything. Their cultural habbits (no more Dutch/western food only thai food, no more handshaking, only bowing and so on), learning thai and never speaking Dutch again not even to family members and not only abiding the Thai law and respecting it's do's and don'ts but also adopting them yourself. So that means participating in chicken fights (I think they do that there? It's just an example anyway) and all that. You would need to be a perfect Thai not?

I bet they'd fail, or simply said that it doesn't apply to them since they have no plans of emmigrating and thus don't have to adapt/change.

As for still being classed as a foreigner even if you do intergrate perfectly (learn the language, respect the law and culture). Sadly looks (and accents) are a dead give away. And for some reason people need to use these tags on other people. I'm guilty of it myself, some people more then others. A polish immigrant would be harder to "spot" but if he kept an accent people would hear be a "foreigner" and possibly use that to refer to him. Same if it's an American immigrant who keeps his clearly American accent, he might "look" Dutch (read: white) but he'd he too clearly would be a foreigner. If you're from a whole other continent (south america, africa, asia) the first thing to be noticed would be your appearance. And the same story would apply.

This is a crude generalisation to refer to people but it's also the first thing people do if they don't know a people by name. They will use a characteristic to refer to a person: "that fat guy behind the counter", "that tall dude over there", "that black guys shop" etc. If I'd move to africa/asia/south america they'd probably reer to me as "that westerner" or "white guy" too if they didn't know my name. Untill this becmes uneffective: in a dominantly white society it's no use to say "that white guy behind the counter", as people will ask "which one? They are all white..." so you will have to say "the one with the German accent" or "the tall one".

Such tags do become a problem when used for generalisation and if there is no need to use them. If you know a person's name it's not nice to refer to them by their skin color or any other feature. Well unless it's a joke that is mutually accepted. But even jokes can be pushed too far. Asking a German immigrant in NL to ask "where my bicycle is, I want it back" might be fut once but if the poor guy hears "bicycle jokes" too often he will no longer find it funny.

But I think I'm getting slightly offtopic. My point was that if I and any other person moves abroad we can (should) be expected to adopt the basic nessecities (language, law, respect) and that's it. Some may intergrate even more other's may always have some difficulties that remain. And I'd expect a fellow European to intergrate just as much as a non western one. It's nice that you speak English but unless you only plan to stay here for a little while you should atleast try to learn my language. If you tried and it doesn't really work out, fair enough. But show some effort please.

But what about those who move abroad and refuse to intergrate, or people that even break the law as they put their homeland law and culture above their new host country? At first they'd need a reminder (they might simply not be aware of their mistakes) but I have no respect for those who knowlingly and willingly break our laws. If you really can not stand our laws, if you are so offended or disgusted you'd probably be better of leaving. Kicking people out would be tricky, you'd not only have to kick out the non westerners that are "out to cause trouble" but also fellow westerners that do the very same. But that would be against EU law as within the EU you have the right of free travel and living everywhere you want. So if I can't kick a German out it would be a bit... ackward to kick that russian out for the same list of crimes. :clueless:




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#77 11 years ago
prius>porsche;4948103Why is there an ever-growing trend of attractive asian females dating white guys. As an asian male, I find this ridiculous. Who am I supposed to mate with now. My parents will not approve of anything but yellow fever. What do you guys think?

i think im dating an asian girl right now.....and im purple. so this thread doesnt apply to me.




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#78 11 years ago

Well I saw the thing coming out of the sky It had one long horn and one big eye...

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I said mr Purple People Eater what's your line He said eating purple people and it sure is fine