Is being Vegetarian/Vegan really that bad?? 37 replies

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#1 4 years ago

It's something that has been really bothering me. Nothing personal since I am not a vegetarian but it just doesn't seem to fit with the fact that Indian society has always had a large number of people that has survived on a purely vegetarian diet. Whether because of strict religious adherence or simply because they "sympathize/empathize" with the animals that have to be killed in order to become a meal, there are some people that won't eat anything that is unquestionably considered animal matter(would cells be the proper technical term?). Usually that includes all meat, fish and eggs.

Now the reason that it bothers me so much is that whenever a vegetarian vs non-vegetarian discussion is brought up on the net, everybody save for very few agree with the non-vegetarian side. These aren't serious discussions, mind you, but it's disturbing that people accept it as the truth when there are societies (well... Indians at least, to my knowledge) that have existed with a vegetarian diet for at least several generations worth of time.

If the lack of meat was so significant then it would have been seen immediately within a generation or 2 (or their offspring) of vegetarian societies and been supplemented, or so I assume. And if it isn't that significant that it takes an entire lifetime to notice any debilitating effects and isn't guaranteed to affect offspring, then why all the fuss over having non-vegetarian (or lack thereof) diets.

Maybe I am not putting proper reasoning into this. But whenever somebody says non-veg food is required for good brains, proper physical condition, good immunity, (a) big dick/Ts&As, whatever, I just have to wonder how many studies are there that actually detail these effects and if there are a significant number detailing the said effects why hasn't anybody thought about showing the "annoying" vegetarians/vegans, in their respective countries, these studies. Or are such studies still in their infancy and don't guarantee anything either way?




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#2 4 years ago

Well it has two aspects. Being vegetarian is not bad. Its good for your digestive system. For maintaing healthy life style its good to be veg. On the other hand if you are die hard non-veg fan you wont be able to live on veg ;)




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#3 4 years ago

Being a die hard fan of meat isn't a legit reason, technically, for not being able to live on veg. Unless it is like with carnivores that they simply aren't able to digest veg food well after having a meat rich diet, somehow.




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#4 4 years ago

I think there is a pretty broad conensus that removing meat from your diet is usually a good thing to do. Meat is often linked to all sorts of health risks in studies. The problematic part seems to be that people with a 9-5 office job don't move a whole lot and meat is dirt cheap in addition to tasting rather good.

There is also the rather questionable meat industry, where animals are fed anti-biotics which accelerates the evolution of resistant superbugs. Also, animals are typically treated in a really bad way in those places. The meat industry also consumes a lot of energy and produces pollutants like CO2 and methane.

Meat does contain lots of proteins and minerals, but for vegetarians it is rather easy to replace everything they'd usually get from meat wtih soy or milk products. Except for iron maybe (which is very important for pregnant women). Vegans may have a harder time, I'm not convinced that approach is healthy or necessary.

Really, from a rational standpoint vegetarianism is the way to go. Not that easy to get off it if you were raised on that stuff and if everyone around you keeps eating it. I try to replace meat with soy and fish to some degree and try to buy higher quality meat the rest of the time.




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#5 4 years ago

Or just take pills like me.

I can't wait for the pill with all essential nutrients for the entire day.


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#6 4 years ago

MrFancypants;5744261I think there is a pretty broad conensus that removing meat from your diet is usually a good thing to do. Meat is often linked to all sorts of health risks in studies. The problematic part seems to be that people with a 9-5 office job don't move a whole lot and meat is dirt cheap in addition to tasting rather good.

There is also the rather questionable meat industry, where animals are fed anti-biotics which accelerates the evolution of resistant superbugs. Also, animals are typically treated in a really bad way in those places. The meat industry also consumes a lot of energy and produces pollutants like CO2 and methane.

Meat does contain lots of proteins and minerals, but for vegetarians it is rather easy to replace everything they'd usually get from meat wtih soy or milk products. Except for iron maybe (which is very important for pregnant women). Vegans may have a harder time, I'm not convinced that approach is healthy or necessary.

Really, from a rational standpoint vegetarianism is the way to go. Not that easy to get off it if you were raised on that stuff and if everyone around you keeps eating it. I try to replace meat with soy and fish to some degree and try to buy higher quality meat the rest of the time.[/QUOTE]

Personally, I've had to stay in areas where meat products were banned by the local government due to religious sentiment within the area, for 4 years. So I wouldn't complain if I had to stick to a vegetarian diet, since it's not really that hard thinking back on it. Especially if meat production can be that bad.

Besides, that's what really grinds my gears. I stayed for 4 years without it and I didn't die or start suffering from some horrible disease.

Is there any other advantage to going vegetarian, though? Seeing as there are questionable practices in the production of all sorts of food items nowadays, would avoiding diseases and relatively toxic substances be the only benefit? And if that is the only benefit, how can we be sure that vegetarian food items don't have nasty parasites and questionable substances of their own?

As for the iron, aren't apples a good source (which tend to be easily available globally)? Iron is the reason they gave me for when I asked why the inner fruit started to get brown after a few minutes of exposure to air.

About the vegan thing, I just added it in since I wasn't really sure as to the definition of vegan.

[QUOTE=Adrian Ţepeş;5744265]Or just take pills like me.

I can't wait for the pill with all essential nutrients for the entire day.

You have to take those according to a personalized prescription or something right?




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#7 4 years ago

random_soldier1337;5744270Personally, I've had to stay in areas where meat products were banned by the local government due to religious sentiment within the area, for 4 years. So I wouldn't complain if I had to stick to a vegetarian diet, since it's not really that hard thinking back on it. Especially if meat production can be that bad.

Besides, that's what really grinds my gears. I stayed for 4 years without it and I didn't die or start suffering from some horrible disease.

Is there any other advantage to going vegetarian, though? Seeing as there are questionable practices in the production of all sorts of food items nowadays, would avoiding diseases and relatively toxic substances be the only benefit? And if that is the only benefit, how can we be sure that vegetarian food items don't have nasty parasites and questionable substances of their own?

Dunno. Genetically modified crops may not be very healthy either, but that is relatively new and I don't think there has been conclusive evidence on that yet. Crops are sprayed with all kinds of posion, which destroys parasites. The poison may be a problem, but this practice is already very old and I haven't heard about any significant health risks.

And like I said, aside from the health benefits there is the moral consideration of how animals are treated and the environmental aspect, neither of which applies to plants.

As for the iron, aren't apples a good source (which tend to be easily available globally)? Iron is the reason they gave me for when I asked why the inner fruit started to get brown after a few minutes of exposure to air.

Iron usually occurs in a different form in plants. The sort of iron from meat is much easier to absorb. I don't think apples are a good source of iron. There are some plants with lots of iron though, mostly green vegetables IIRC.




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#8 4 years ago

I'd rather die young eating meat then live long eating vegetables.




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#9 4 years ago

@Schofield, sure you die doing what you like. But are you ready for all the circumstances leading up to it, many which may be out of your control?




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#10 4 years ago

Anatomically, we're omnivores. So, I'm an omnivore. The only thing I dislike about being an omnivore is the cruelty of the meat industry.