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Nemmerle Forum Mod

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#1 5 years ago

Some things just make you facepalm hard:

The terrifying, flesh-eating drug krokodil has reportedly surfaced in the US | The Verge

The recipe for krokodil varies, but the psychoactive ingredient is an opioid called desomorphine that was developed at the National Institute of Health in the 1930s as a morphine alternative. It was quickly set aside because of its addictive qualities and limited duration. "Desomorphine is the most powerful painkiller known, but it is very short-acting," wrote The Science News Letter in 1951.

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Typically, 5 to 10 tablets containing codeine (costs approximately 300 rubles, equivalent to 9 USD) are boiled with a diluting agent (mostly paint thinner that may contain lead, zinc, ferric or ferrous agents, and antimony) and lighter fuel (gasoline), hydrochloric acid, iodine, and red phosphorous (as a phosphate source), which is being scraped from the striking pads of matchboxes.

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Pictures and videos of krokodil users in Russia show blackened fingertips, large open wounds, and even exposed bone where skin has fallen off, as well as the scaly, crocodile-like skin effect that gives the drug its name. Extensive amputation is frequently the only way to save a patient’s life. According to media reports, the mean survival time for a krokodil addict is two years.

Semi-random video.

Don't watch if easily disturbed =p

I can vaguely understand people 'living' - if it can be called that - in extremely shit situations where they're gonna die in a few years anyway doing it. The mindset that says "I don't care, I'm not going to be - or don't want to be - alive then anyway." But how badly off would you have to be before this starts making sense in a developed country? Jesus >_




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#2 5 years ago

Ich bin Schnappi, das kleine krokodil!

But anyway, that's pretty disturbing. I was quite frankly turned off by the nutritional facts sheet =p


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#3 5 years ago

Watched that docu a while ago, those Vice videos can be interesting.

It does seem weird that anyone would take these drugs voluntarily. If you look at meth the consequences aren't pretty either, but because it is so cheap it is extremely popular in the US and increasingly in Europe as well. A poor Russian will have less money to spend on drugs than a poor American, so if he is hooked on something expensive like heroin then maybe krokodil looks like a good idea. Seems like another good reason to me to legalize some of the natural drugs. Those synthetics are too easy to produce, too adictive and do too much damage.




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#4 5 years ago

The funniest thing of all is that the nutritional facts sheet of this stuff wouldn't look any worse than cigarettes as far as all the nasty chemical and crap that's in it. Though there's no denying the effects are far, far worse.




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#5 5 years ago

Ugh, just what people need, another drug. /inb4 rotting zombie corpses walk the streets Nemmerle, I have always wanted to ask you, is your avatar from Spice & Wolf?




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#6 5 years ago
Uchuujin;5714274 Nemmerle, I have always wanted to ask you, is your avatar from Spice & Wolf?

Ah, I don't know ^^;

It's a crop from a [ [COLOR="RoyalBlue"]much larger wallpaper[/COLOR] ] I found a while ago, but I may well have clicked through from a Spice and Wolf search to a more general search - the metadata doesn't indicate anything either way.




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#7 5 years ago

Certainly looks like S & W, even though the clothes are different (or rather, existing)




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#8 5 years ago

Yeah, read this a few days ago. I've read about krokodil in Russia, but I never thought it would make its way here. We used to do real drugs in this country. What happened? Collapse of civil society.


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#9 5 years ago

I expected this thread to be about crocodiles (krokodil is Dutch and German for crodile)... Are any crodiles involved in the creation of this drug or what?:lol:

I can vaguely understand people 'living' - if it can be called that - in extremely shit situations where they're gonna die in a few years anyway doing it. The mindset that says "I don't care, I'm not going to be - or don't want to be - alive then anyway." But how badly off would you have to be before this starts making sense in a developed country? Jesus >_<

I concur, if you want to do drugs just use cannabis, alcohol, mushrooms etc. Now if you are from an uneducated hellhole I might understand that lack of general knowledge and expoture to any media might explain some people using silly drugs like meth, krokodil etc. simply because they aren't aware of the mess they are getting into.




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#10 5 years ago

Krokodil has some parallels with the crack-cocaine problem of the 1980s, where a lot of the danger came not only from addiction but from the fact that these compounds were often prepared uncleanly and presented a lot of danger to the users.

In this case, if the OP quote didn't make it obvious, Krokodil is prepared using stuff like gasoline or paint thinner (as a solvent), HCl (to wear down the waxy surface of the codeine pill, which is an opoid painkiller), iodine, and red phosphorous. During the course of the reaction you get a lot of impurities that end up remaining in the liquid despite their attempts to filter it out, most importantly HCl that doesn't react all the way and HI that forms as well, both of which are highly corrosive and will cause damage. This leads users to form the really nasty stuff the video forms.

Mr. Fancypants mentioned Meth use in the US and interestingly the means by which Meth is formed is very similar to this reaction (especially the part with red phosphorous and iodine), but its able to be more "pure" by nature of the crystallization which helps to keep out the more acidic compounds. This leads to the necrosis seen in many users with parts of their skin peeling off, and in the extreme cases, the appearance of gaping holes through their skin in compounds that were prepared especially poorly. More over if, as often happens with users using needles, they miss their intended blood vessel and just strike skin.

The interesting thing is that the "pure" form of Krokodil- the desomorphine- works as an opioid painkiller and alternative to morphine as the article points out. This compound itself isn't causing the visual deformation of users, but the crap that gets left in during this attempt to distill it (which I outlined above). All that corrosive material in there that remains in the fluid when they shoot themselves up is going to have a very damaging physical effect.

So why go through this mess? Most people seem to think that this began mostly from heroin addicts wanting a cheaper fix when they could no longer afford the more expensive heroin. It's believed this phenomenon started in the heavily depressed eastern Siberian industrial towns- which after the fall of the Soviet Union and subsequent shock market reforms usually left them without their original economic base. This created a really nasty situation and ground for drug addiction, and somewhere along the way Krokodil was formed as a cheap alternative to heroin. I think coupling this with the fact that living out in the middle of nowhere in that part of Russia is pretty alienating and depressing, it picked up in use and spread from there. I'm just surprised it hasn't been detected anywhere else before hitting the United States.