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snabbler

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#1 9 years ago

This has always concerned me.

Whenever someone makes you really angry, and you feel endangered-often, the first instinct is to give that person a solid punch in the face, with a closed fist. But when I think about it, that makes very little sense. Not socially or legally (that can be discussed elsewhere) but mechanically.

When we analyse it, the hand is a ridiculous intsrument to use in the quest to inflict damage-it is made of several thin bones in a complex arrangement together with fine ligaments and muscles. It is a finely tuned instrument which is effective in its dexterity, not its strength. A human hand is the most manouvourable piece of biological technology in our bodies, made of some of the smallest bones in some of the most delicate arrangements-this enables it to perform some extraordinary things; playing the violin, tying a shoelace. Yet it also makes it one of the weakest parts of the body-and one of the parts which is the most difficult to repair, and with one of the greatest costs if it is broken.

Surely there must be a better part of the body to hit against things? Because the hand is surely one of the very worst. The elbow perhaps? Perhaps, but you wouldn't have nearly the same reach. I know, what about the heel of the hand, the fleshy bit at the base? Instead of 'punching' with the brittle bones of the fingers you are instead hitting with the solid end of much, much thicker arm bones.

Think about it this way: See that wooden door over there? Would you be willing to punch it with a substantial amount of force? I didn't think so, that would hurt. On the other hand: Would you be willing to slam the heel of your hand against it? I certainly would, that wouldn't hurt nearly as much would it?

When you have either a brick or clock at your disposal, use the brick. It would inflict more damage, be less likely to break and be less costly if it did break.

So I ask you;

Why punch ever?




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#2 9 years ago

snabbler;4909925This has always concerned me.

Whenever someone makes you really angry, and you feel endangered-often, the first instinct is to give that person a solid punch in the face, with a closed fist. But when I think about it, that makes very little sense. Not socially or legally (that can be discussed elsewhere) but mechanically.

When we analyse it, the hand is a ridiculous intsrument to use in the quest to inflict damage-it is made of several thin bones in a complex arrangement together with fine ligaments and muscles. It is a finely tuned instrument which is effective in its dexterity, not its strength. A human hand is the most manouvourable piece of biological technology in our bodies, made of some of the smallest bones in some of the most delicate arrangements-this enables it to perform some extraordinary things; playing the violin, tying a shoelace. Yet it also makes it one of the weakest parts of the body-and one of the parts which is the most difficult to repair, and with one of the greatest costs if it is broken.

Surely there must be a better part of the body to hit against things? Because the hand is surely one of the very worst. The elbow perhaps? Perhaps, but you wouldn't have nearly the same reach. I know, what about the heel of the hand, the fleshy bit at the base? Instead of 'punching' with the brittle bones of the fingers you are instead hitting with the solid end of much, much thicker arm bones.

Think about it this way: See that wooden door over there? Would you be willing to punch it with a substantial amount of force? I didn't think so, that would hurt. On the other hand: Would you be willing to slam the heel of your hand against it? I certainly would, that wouldn't hurt nearly as much would it?

When you have either a brick or clock at your disposal, use the brick. It would inflict more damage, be less likely to break and be less costly if it did break.

So I ask you;

Why punch ever?

I normally want to strangle the person, not punch them. If you hold your fist properly, you wont receive alot of damage.

Using you palm is the best idea short term, but if you 'palm' people too much, you can fuck up your wrist. And yes, when a brick is in the immediate area, use it!




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#3 9 years ago

I always thought ramming them with your side arm would be most effective. You strike a larger amount of the body, and you don't hurt yourself as much.




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#4 9 years ago

Why punch ever? It's a case of using the right weapon for the right target.

Punches are generally very good for weaker or soft tissue targets. Some areas, like the side of the ribs, a punch is preferable because his ribs from that angle are a lot weaker than your knuckles. The softer parts of the body also respond well to being punched since you can make the force penetrate a lot better through soft tissue using a smaller contact area. And given that the force is spread out through the depth of the tissue the force going back into your hand is relatively small.

Palm strikes are good for hitting relatively solid targets lying just under the skin. The dead centre of the chest is great, you can crack someone's rib cage really well with them, as are strikes done with the edge of the hand. But if you palm strike someone in the gut, although it'll wind them a bit, the force isn't concentrated enough to really plaster the poor bastard in the way a well executed punch would.

There's also the issue of angles, some angles an uppercut or a hook with a fist on the end works much better than trying to line your body up behind a palmstrike.

If you're going for the throat use the bit of the hand between your thumb and forefinger, it's much safer than trying to punch them there and screwing your fingers up on his chin and the leverage lets you strike up through his throat which brings the force of his own body weight against the blow.

I wouldn't punch a guy in the head anymore than I'd block a kick with my fingers; but would I sink one in just under his ribcage? You bet I would, that’s gonna leave him in a world of hurt.




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#5 9 years ago

I'm not much of a puncher either.

If I could get away with it, I'd sneak kill people like in video games. A steak knife in the back is probably much more satisfying then a punch in the stomach.

I don't freak out on people anyways, I just stare at them and they feel the energy I have and could use, I just project my energy. Either that, or walk away.




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#6 9 years ago

You'd think you can just stick people in the back but you can't; there's a skill to killing someone quietly so that they don't fall over and making sure you hit something suitably vital so that they can't cry out. It's more tricky than it looks. Uh, apparently. =p




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#7 9 years ago

Also it's actually quite hard to approach a lot of people from the back :P There's more refined senses than just sight :D

To be honest, the hand or fist in itself is not a stupid weapon. You can get a lot of power going from it as well as quite a lot of range. What's stupid though, is attacking the face, as some of the strongest bones in the body are there. Yay for old taekwondo knowledge :P




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#8 9 years ago

People aren't used to thinking like that. They've got the senses but they have people walking behind them every day when they go into town and think nothing of it.

The most common trick is to fall into the same patterns they're used to: you're after getting the drop on them but really you're just another person out to the shops. People who make a job of sneaking up on people don't walk after the person at all, they walk towards a destination that the person happens to be in the way of.

It's just the way the brain works, you hear a pattern thousands of times over and it starts to get filtered out. The brain looks for the things that are out of the ordinary. Even if they see you they think nothing of it.

Looking for a smoke or money is a classic too. Coming over to you: "Excuse me mate, do you have a light?" Your hands go for your pockets and you've pretty much lost the fight at that point.

People have the senses, they hear and see, but they're not really aware; at least not in any way that counts.




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#9 9 years ago

The closed fist is a decent impact tool on certain targets because knuckles have a much smaller surface area of impact than an open palm or heel. This allows for more concentrated damage.




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#10 9 years ago
Nemmerle;4910104You'd think you can just stick people in the back but you can't; there's a skill to killing someone quietly so that they don't fall over and making sure you hit something suitably vital so that they can't cry out. It's more tricky than it looks. Uh, apparently. =p

Then there's the whole issue of the mess, disposing of the body, destroying evidence. Its a lot harder and a lot more work than one might think.

If you're not a fan of the punches, you can always make use of the elbow strikes (possibility to open up some mean cuts) and kicks. Punching is something one's body needs to become accustomed to, mainly the idea of constant impacts and learning proper technique.

In any case, its all about the liver shots.

Just learn from Bas. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQVaTEPOsTA




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