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Nemmerle Forum Mod

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#1 7 years ago

So got sent a petition by a friend. Apparently Russia's decided to go back to its size ten stomping boots.

Political leaders in St. Petersburg are about to vote on law that will make it illegal for any person to write a book, publish an article or speak in public about being gay, lesbian or transgender. The ruling party led by President Medvedev and Prime Minister Putin could make millions of people invisible with the stroke of a pen.

Which I was sceptical of since the site I was sent didn't have any links to a third party. But a quick google later.

Russian gay rights activist slams anti-gay bill in St. Petersburg - The Washington Post

Thursday - which matches up with the date.

I doubt it'll make a damn bit of difference, but it's relatively risk free for you to go and sign, at least if you don't live in Russia =p

Sign....

You don't have to fill in your postcode, for anyone who thought it was a required field.... I know, I wouldn't give away my physical location that precisely either.

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You'd think people would have gotten over this dark-ages mentality by now.

Oh no, happy people! Better get rid of them!




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#2 7 years ago

Wow, I never really suspected Russia of this kind of thing.


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#3 7 years ago

Really? Russia's had a lot of shit over the past few years when it comes to press freedom problems.




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#4 7 years ago

I didn't expect it as it seems to world is loosening up with this issue.




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#5 7 years ago
Nemmerle;5588005Really? Russia's had a lot of shit over the past few years when it comes to press freedom problems.

I suppose, but I guess I just felt that when it came to gay rights, America was really the champion of anti-gay propaganda.


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#6 7 years ago

America, Iran, China, Russia, Afghanistan, North Korea, Saudi Arabia.... I suppose if you were to make a list of places you expected to find the most bigots in government it'd go something like that. Probably mostly because those are the places people're liable to know about more than anything.

You can't help wondering sometimes quite how much damage the cold war did to American culture. Conservative Christianity was encouraged as a counter to Communist brand 'atheism.' Be interesting to compare the rate of decay of religious beliefs in America before the Cold War to the rate of decay in other countries at the same time and then follow that through the Cold War....

But no. There seems to have been some progress in a positive direction, at least on this issue, in American politics recently. So it'd be a bit of a break from the trend if it were there. Certainly if you compared the rate of religious decay in America over the last decade via the ARIS survey to the rates in Europe there's not much to choose between them, for all that the baseline is different.




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#7 7 years ago

It is a bit surprising as homophobia often has roots in conservative religious crowds. While the Russian orthodox church is very conservative Russians don't seem to be so devout these days.

It kinda fits into the picture though as Russia has been moving to the right end of the political spectrum for a while. Right wing extremism is out of control there.




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#8 7 years ago

Not too surprising really. The ruling body is mostly of age, and that place - like America; is losing it's conservative constituency. The right wing is slowly dying, and they know it. Generation x & prior could care less about their gods, let alone traditions so they're hammering down on anything and everything they can. Look at the shit they pulled while hunting down the serial killer Andrei Chikatilo back in the late 80’s to early 90, when he was murdering all of those kids. During the killing spree, the police went off on the homosexual community. Going so far as beating the confessions out of some, and intimidating others to the point of suicide. Russkies aren’t too keen on same sex anything, let alone a sexual identity crisis. Don't let technological advancement fool you. We're still fumbling around in the dark on the basics.

It's hard to believe sexuality is even an issue sometimes, especially while looking at human ingenuity and creation. All that we've done, collectively and individually. Still, there it is, mainstream and political. I don't know which is worse. That it even is an issue, or that it will probably remain one for a very, very long time.

MrFancypants;5588339It is a bit surprising as homophobia often has roots in conservative religious crowds. While the Russian orthodox church is very conservative Russians don't seem to be so devout these days.

Again, not so surprising. In fact I don't think I know of any other cause for generalized homophobia other than religiosity. Where else is it demonized, let alone mentioned?

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...Or inopportunely prevalent as well. Ever noticed that? The loudest opponents of it, the most vehement defenders of what should be, are the ones who often end up being "outed" later down the road. Its like someone engaging in unusually long eye contact with their excuse. A lie.




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#9 7 years ago

To be honest this is not so surprising. I have some family in Moscow at the moment and the stories of Law are very extreme to the Law that would be here in Ireland.

A lot of restrictions on aspects we would consider a denial of free speech but that's the world. There's many countries the same, even worse, its nothing new, we are just so shocked in our own bubble of culture.




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#10 7 years ago
computernerd;5588008I suppose, but I guess I just felt that when it came to gay rights, America was really the champion of anti-gay propaganda.

Really? Iran, Afghanistan, Sudan, Saudi Arabia, Yemen or any of the other countries where life imprisonment and/or the death penalty is imposed for homosexuality don't top your mental list?


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