Author’s Note: This interview took place for nearly two hours over the weekend at the office of the White House Insider. We wish to extend our gratitude for their making time to meet with us despite an extremely demanding schedule. The information contained in this interview is among the most in depth and fascinating to date, and due to the extent of information, will come in two installments. Here is installment one:
Thank you again for making time to meet with me. Oh, I should be apologizing to you on having to cancel last time. The campaign work is proving to be a larger task than I originally signed on for, but I can’t complain. As I told you in the email, I’m very happy to be “back in it” as it were.
Care to let us know what campaign you are working for? Sorry, I don’t wish to reveal that. I’ll just say it’s a campaign that has already received significant national attention, and the working time frame to prepare for Election Day is very short. We are in scramble mode, but things appear to be going well, all things considered.
Ok then, can I ask you your predictions for the November election, now that we are just days away? How bad do you think it’s going to be for the Democrats? I have been given access to a significant amount of internals all across the country. Senate, House, and governor races, and…well, it is going to be a very tough night for the Democratic Party. It is as bad as I and some others feared it would be for us a couple months ago. Nothing has improved - maybe a few races here and there have tightened, but overall, it’s looking very bad for us. Actually worse than the national polling data currently suggests even.
So how many seats do you see Democrats losing in the House? At least 50 – possibly a bit more. It will be worse than what we saw in 1994, and I was around for that ass-kicking.
How about the Senate? That one is just a bit tougher to call. I think the Republicans right now have a 50/50 chance of taking a very slim majority. But at the very least, they are going to gain seven seats, which will basically shut down any sure-thing Democratic Party agenda in the Senate. We don’t fear that as much as what is going on with the House. It is going to be very difficult working with the House – the Republicans are taking on an increasingly aggressive tone heading into the election, and I think in 2011, they are going to putting on an all out offensive against the Obama agenda.
As a Democrat, do you see that as a bad thing? Not necessarily, but at the same time, I don’t wish to see the political extremes swing back the other way. (Smiles) Then again, maybe I do, because if that happens, the Republicans could be right back on their ass in 2012 – IF the Democrats can get their -expletive- together, which at this point, I am not too hopeful of.
So who do you place the most blame for the Democratic Party’s troubles today? President Obama and his administration -without a doubt. The Obama White House has been a political train wreck from day one, and it isn’t getting any better at the moment. You already know my feelings on that.
Previously you stated that Obama could be re-elected in 2012, and that if he improved himself on the job – that if he took a more active and responsible role as President, that you would support him. Do you still feel that way? Is that what I said? (shakes head) Well…(pauses) Ok, I’ll just come out and say what is already underway, and to hell with the possible consequences to me. I will not support Barack Obama in 2012. That possibility has left the table for me. Based on what I know, what I have been told, what I have seen in recent weeks…no, I cannot support the President for a second term. My concern for the party, for the country…my conscience does not allow me that option any longer. Obama is not fit to be president. He simply does not possess the inclinations necessary to lead the country. And I don’t like saying that. I helped the man get elected. I was in the trenches day after day from city to city helping things get done in 2008…I take no pleasure in saying I was a part of that. And I take no pleasure in saying Obama should not be re-elected in 2012.
That is a very strong statement – anything recent that causes you to now say you will not support Obama in 2012? (Long pause – question is repeated) There is much I have been told, some I know, some more that will probably develop in the coming weeks and months. But you want specifics, right? I understand that…I’ll give you an example of why President Obama is not right for America. He sure as hell has not been right for the party. Not long ago, the president took a meeting. He’s late, which apparently is becoming more and more common with him. The meeting was almost cancelled. In strolls the president, joking with an aide. He plops down on a sofa, leans over and claps another guy on the back asking how he’s been. Apologizes for being late, says he was “held up”. He laughs some more. The meeting begins. After just ten minutes, during which time the president appears to almost totally withdraw into himself, an aide walks in and whispers something to the president, who then nods and quickly stands up, shakes a few hands and tells another aide to update him later on the rest of the meeting. As the president is walking out he is laughing at something yet again. He asked no questions of those at the meeting – not one. He left after just ten minutes, coming in laughing and leaving laughing. His behavior during that brief time he was there was described as “borderline manic”.
Ok, you have already stated previously that the president doesn’t show much interest in the day to day business of being president – why is this example so bad, or different? Care to know what that particular meeting was about on that day?
Certainly. Afghanistan. That meeting was an update on Afghanistan, and the President of the United States, the Commander in Chief, could give a -expletive-.
Were you actually there to witness this? No, I was long gone from the White House by then. It was told to me though by someone who was. They were there. First hand. They were also left to apologize to the ones left in the room after the president left. Some of these were military. They were not happy. No…that is not accurate. They were pissed. They didn’t say much at the time, but word got back. They were in shock at the president’s behavior. The country had just lost a number of soldiers the week prior, the public opinion on the war was falling…and the president didn’t seem to care. He arrives late, leaves early, appears to emotionally shut down during the actual discussion, and to then start laughing once again as he is leaving…how does someone reconcile with that kind of behavior? I can’t. It turns my stomach. I didn’t want to believe what I was being told, but I had seen similar kinds of behavior from the president myself, and I can’t dispute the credibility of the source. They have no reason to lie.
So is that one example the real tipping point for you in no longer being willing to support Obama in 2012? Or do you have any others you wish to share? Oh, I have others, though I cannot share all of them at this point because they involve some still in range of potential White House retribution. Then again, I suppose I am still in range of such retribution myself.
What do you mean by retribution? Punishment. Political punishment, and even personal punishment. The powers of a president extend far beyond the Oval Office – you know that. I make my living, and it has been a very good living, working within the system of politics. A president can create considerable…pressure if you will, to limit or even destroy my place in that system. Working with a president is an extraordinary and terrifying thing. In regards to my experience with Obama, it became far less extraordinary and far more terrifying. And it’s getting worse.
Terrifying? Yes, terrifying. To see one’s expectations so disappointed. To see a figure who wields such great power and influence fall so short of the responsibilities of that power and influence…that is terrifying to witness. Initially I developed great fear for my party – for the Democrats whose political careers were being destroyed by this administration and party leadership. Now I sincerely fear for my country.
So at this point you really don’t believe that President Obama can grow into a more effective leader? No.
But he could still be re-elected in 2012, right? Absolutely. He remains an effective campaigner – the best in politics, and these days, that can be enough to get elected. You don’t actually have to know what you are doing – you just have to look and sound like you know what you are doing.
But you don’t want to see Obama re-elected? I apologize if I’m repeating myself here, but I just want to clarify because in the past you still seemed hopeful that Obama could evolve and become a stronger leader, but that hope seems to have left you. If Barack Obama is the Democratic Party nominee, I will not participate in any way in his election. It will be the first time in some 20 years that I will have removed myself totally from the process of helping elect the Democratic Party candidate for President. (Leans toward me) I do not know if the country can survive another four years of Barack Obama, and frankly, I want nothing to do with helping us find out. The man is an incompetent. The man is a tool of the extreme far left that has utterly corrupted the Democratic Party. The man and those now closest to him in the administration appear to abhor America’s history. They detest anyone who does not fully subscribe to their positions. They are corrupt, they are increasingly paranoid, and they are taking this country down a path by which we may never recover.
You sound like Rush Limbaugh. -Expletive- you…(pause) I apologize for that, but no, I am not some right winger. You know that. I have spent decades helping to build the Democratic Party up. I have worked alongside some wonderful, sincere, intelligent people during that time. Some of those people have now seen their careers tarnished, or ended entirely due to this administration. Others are fighting for survival, but continue to face attack from this administration. Enough is enough. I will not defend, I will not support, I will not play a part in such blatant misuse of power and authority that continues to be the practice of this administration. No more. My primary goal now is to help as many good Democrats survive the disaster that will be the November elections, and from there, provide a far more capable and competent candidate to be the Democratic Party nominee for 2012.
It sounds like you’re preparing for political war with this White House. Yes, I suppose that is a fair description of what is happening. I’m not alone. There are more and more of us within the Democratic Party who are ready to challenge this president.
Even if it tears the Democratic Party apart in the process? It won’t. It will get messy, it already is - but the party is stronger than the president…particularly this president. Remove the media protection, remove the support and protection of a Congressional leadership that has been carrying the water for the White House for the last two years, and you will see a White House greatly reduced. But the party will survive – and be made stronger for it. The American people need to know that the Obama administration does not represent the Democratic Party – and it is the Democratic Party that remains the party of the people. The Obama administration only represents themselves at the expense of all others. That fact needs to be made more known and that is what I intend to see get done after November.
That seems a very dangerous thing to do career-wise – take on the White House so directly. Absolutely. You got that right, but I have help in high places you know – I’m not so stupid as to do this alone.
High places? There still remain some in the Obama administration who are not fully supportive of the president…who are weighing certain options. I am confident there will be a significant challenge to the president from within the Democratic Party in 2012.
Hillary Clinton? (Winks) That would be great wouldn’t it?
So you support Hillary Clinton running against Obama in 2012? Absolutely – at this point, absolutely. And she could win you know. If things don’t improve dramatically in the country by then, she could win. Here’s your headline for today – there is a movement within the Democratic Party to make Hillary the nominee in 2012 – not Obama. I’m not talking a small group of “what ifs” here, I’m talking about significant members of the party, significant financial backers…a legitimate and serious move to make Hillary Clinton our nominee. It is not quite fully initiated yet, but it’s getting there. And I don’t mind saying so publicly now – Mr. President, you are failing this country, you are failing the Democratic Party, and we will not support your further interest in doing so for another four years.
Author’s Note: Due to the amount of information received in our most recent two-hour interview at the office of the White House Insider, the interview was broken into two parts. Here now is part two:
In your email to me last week, you indicated a scandal was coming to the White House. Could you elaborate a bit more on that now? Sadly, with this White House it is no longer a matter of a scandal, but of scandals. I see you did a story recently on the Justice Department situation surrounding the voting rights case. Continue watching that – it’s going to break open more soon after Republicans take the House. As you stated, it’s going to be investigated.
So is that the scandal you were speaking of? No – and yes. (Silence)
Ok… I have to be very-very careful here. You need to understand that. I cannot say too much or my position is clearly exposed – or it could be. So I’m hesitant to say too much or the wrong thing.
But you said in your email last week that…I know what I said. I know that. You don’t need to repeat what the email said, ok? I’m not the only one who needs to be careful here you know. You are getting too bold with this thing. I don’t mind using you to throw up some balloons, but I don’t want you getting hurt for it – and you’re stepping on some very large feet now with this stuff. I don’t know if you fully appreciate that, or the dangers that come with it.
At least give us an idea on this scandal you indicated earlier. However you wish to say it, I promised my readers information. (Laughs) Your readers! You are really getting into this thing now aren’t you!? Your readers…uh-huh. Don’t forget who gave you this information. Don’t forget who can take it away, ok? And I will. You’re playing your part in this – and I am writing the script. Don’t you -expletive- forget that.
Just tell me about this scandal. (Leans back, folds arms across chest. Looks outside – then back to me) Ok then – I’ll point your nose in the right direction. Enough people are sniffing in the same garbage pile anyways, including the Times. Though I suspect they are burying it at the moment, or trying to. They are still heavily invested in Obama, but that may change soon… Go back to Chicago. That is the key. There is other crap around the White House, other things that could trip them up, but Chicago is where the real heavy deal is that could bring the administration down. Go back and review Blagojevich. Go back and review Rezko, Barton, Stern, Giordano, Carothers, Jarret. It’s one and the same. It’s all connected, and it’s big. And people know. The White House is -expletive- itself over this stuff. Pelosi has it. Clintons have it – more of it than they had in 2008.
(Interrupts) What do you mean “have it”? The information – the story. At least some of it, enough of it. It’s all a chess match you know. A series of moves. Right now the White House is scrambling, and they don’t know enemies from friends anymore. The party is attempting to localize the damage so it doesn’t spread. Make it just about Chicago, and worst case, Obama – but not the party. And so you look back to Chicago, you look at the Justice Department, connect the dots. One investigation will potentially reveal the other. And it’s all setting up to happen now if the November elections go down with a Republican landslide. Obama will be left without protection. His inner circle is scared to death. I mean truly frightened by the prospects of what could be coming at them in the coming months. They have enemies both in the Republican Party and the Democratic Party. President Obama is lost. Absolutely lost.”
So what is your part in this? Why come to me and start all of this? I’ve answered that before. I love my party. I love my country. And yes, I love the game. I won’t be at this much longer…or maybe I will, who knows? (laughs) I had such great hopes for President Obama. Those hopes have been crushed. It wasn’t an easy thing to see. On the campaign, the guy was so good. Brilliant. I told you that already, I know – repeating myself now. But…I get emotional thinking back to 2008 and how much fun that was. Then I think to how fast it all went wrong, how soon we all started to see that there was so little to the man. We got caught up in the moment, and forgot to consider the consequences of electing someone who was simply not prepared to be President. We screwed up. I guess in a way, these interviews I am giving you are a way to…make up for that. At least in some little way.
Or maybe you enjoy screwing with the White House? Oh sure, there’s that. Yeah…guilty as charged. But it’s also much more than that. I really believe the party needs to purge itself of this administration. And I think we will. November is a start in that direction. New leadership will emerge. The White House will be marginalized – perhaps so much so that there will be a Democrat challenger to Obama in 2012.
Purge the party of this administration? You really feel the Obama White House is that bad? You remember that question – and then you can come back and ask me again later next year when this scandal finally comes to the surface.
The scandal in Chicago? Chicago is the primary component – but it will likely start in D.C. – one thing will lead to the other. The Justice Department, and back to Chicago.
And what if this never happens? What if there is no scandal? What if Obama is simply re-elected in 2012 and serves a full and successful second term? I suppose that is a possibility – but not a probable one. They are scrambling to make that happen, but after November, the White House loses its protection. I told you that – you understand that, right?
You are talking about Congress? Yes-yes…without Congress, without the Congressional leadership to quash potential hearings, the White House is far more vulnerable. Remember Lewinski? If the Democrats had not lost Congress in 1994, there would have been no scandal – at least not to the extent that it became. But Democrats didn’t control Congress, and so the scandal was allowed – encouraged by those -expletive- Republicans to move ahead. Same thing with Watergate. Democrats in Congress allowed the scandal to grow and move ahead. That’s how it works. And now we have a Democrat President, realizing he is looking at a Republican Congress, and he is facing a real -expletive- storm.
You used Watergate as an example. Do you really think Obama could be facing a Watergate type scandal? I mean, something that big? Yes I do. I hope not. That is what is going on right now – I’m trying to explain that part of it to you but maybe I’m not doing a good enough job of it. There are those in the party – the Democratic Party, who are right now actively preparing for that possible outcome and taking protective measures to protect the party. Let Obama go down for it – but save the party. President Obama in turn – at least those around him who are capable enough still to function in that way, are trying to keep the party entangled in the mess, to motivate them to continue protecting the White House. THAT is what is going on right now. And the stakes are very high – the repercussions very serious. That is why I keep telling you to fully appreciate the dangers here. This stuff is no joke. That is why I came to you. If this goes bad, and it could just like that, I can pull the plug. And make no mistake – I will.
I get that – but I’m still having a hard time believing a scandal so big is not being reported by the media. You’re wrong there. It is being reported – bits and pieces of it. The story will already be out there and growing before the mainstream finally runs with it. Don’t forget, most of them still want to protect the White House. That is simply fact. I know this – I worked directly with them during the campaign. But it’s starting to change – and eventually it will break. The barbarians haven’t broken down the gate yet – but after these midterms, they will. Look at the Democrats who are now openly challenging the president. Every day another one rebukes the president. That is an incredibly dangerous thing to do politically – it can destroy a career. Ask yourself why they would be so willing to do that. Are they just stupid, too bold – or is it something else?
I don’t know… (shakes head) The word is out there – President Obama is in real trouble. They may not have the specifics, but the story of a big scandal coming is circulating now within the party – both parties. So why put your own political career on the line supporting a president who is facing such a fiasco? Simple – they won’t. And so you are seeing the separation happening. The party itself is starting to separate itself from the president. You ever watch those nature programs where the herd doesn’t hang out with the sick one? You got that poor sick antelope or whatever standing all by itself and when it tries to join back with the herd they run away from it? They’ll even attack it themselves if they have to. That’s what happens in politics. If you are in real trouble, the others separate from you. That is what is happening to the president right now.
And the lions are starting to gather…
Wonder how legitimate this story is...time will tell I guess.
FYI - its really not a good idea to copy paste a whole article into your post, its better to just put in a few notable quotes to prove your point.
But yes, the Democratic party and the United States as a whole are in deep, deep trouble. The way things are going, the Republicans are going to take back control in 2012. That means more tax cuts for the rich, more foreign wars, and probably a cut-back on the few healthcare advances we've made.
No! I'm Spamacus!
17th June 2003
After skimming through both parts, I'm rather skeptical for a few reasons.
1. From what I've been able to gather it's essentially a free for all blog masquerading as a serious news organization. They could at least use an editor to spell check submitted articles.
2. The interview was filled with innuendo and no specifics. Need I mention this lovely piece?
"Don’t forget who gave you this information. Don’t forget who can take it away, ok? And I will. You’re playing your part in this – and I am writing the script. Don’t you -expletive- forget that."
3. No serious news organization so far has reported on the president being a bipolar schizophrenic maniac with bizarre behavior, not even Fox News. I have a hard time believing that the second coming of Deep Throat would risk their career by leaking this information to an unknown blog.
President of Novistrana
19th January 2003
Bohemund;5417680FYI - its really not a good idea to copy paste a whole article into your post, its better to just put in a few notable quotes to prove your point.