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LordsOfKobol

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#321 15 years ago

WOW! Ok...not going to even attempt to read all these posts, I have a thesis paper for english to finish. Just putting it out there that I didn't read all your posts so if you retracted certain statements, please forgive my speaking out of ingnorance.

CKY2KOh yea lordsOfKobol is cool about it. And I appreciate him talking like an adult about it he has made me think that They arent so bad after all. I still don't agree with it. And I don't understand how anyone can be attracted to men and not women. Hell I don't even know how women like us...lol But I see that they arent bad people because of it. But I don't want to see it thrown in my face. And I don't think there should be a gay pride month or parade... i find Fags go to those events not queers...

Oh my goodness, a straight man made the distinction between fag and queer...I'm having a stroke...THANK YOU! See, if I knew you, I'd kiss you (haha, sorry, had to say that cause you said you wouldn't want it thrown in your face ;) just kidding though, I can respect that) Fags, are in general, high heels, overly gay, "oh my god the after christmas sale is on!" kind of people. I'm queer, probably wouldn't be able to tell I was gay unless you saw me holding hands with my boyfriend or if I told you. It's somewhat humorous to throw people off when you tell them that, "No way!" or "Bullsh*t!". Many of my christian friends "don't agree with what I do" and I can totally respect that, It says in the bible "If you lay with a man as if he were a woman, It is an abomination". So yes, gay SEX is a sin, not being gay in general...Just like to point that out. CKY, you said you'd be surprised how a man could like us, because men are...questionable shall we say? :lol: That'd be STRAIGHT men...The mannerisms of gay men are much diffrent then straight men, and not totally fem, which is a complete stereotype. Colby, my boyfriend, is obviously gay and a redneck, now I don't know if any of "y'all" are from the south, but if you are, you know what that means "Manly, Hunting, Fishing, Carhartts and big ol' boots" Not the typical "gay guy" would you say? How about me? Linkin park fan, all black clothes (most of the time, I have my preppy dress days), DC shoes ect...Again not what the stereotypes consider the typical gay guy huh?

I heard a few pages back..."Two women is a sensual relationship, not two men poking each other" PLEASE! Have you ever met a real lesbian? Not your lesbo porno movie actors, a real lesbian...(this is a generalization from the lesbian women i've met)They don't have near the solid relationships gay men have! I don't "get poked" nor "poke" and as I stated before I find it distasteful, painful, too many germs, egh...your right it's gross. My relationship with colby is NOT purely sexual AT ALL we have what I consider a very classy and deep connectional relationship, do you understand what I mean? straight men and women have no more meaningful relationships then us queers. I'm not a slut, you won't find me fracking some guy in a bar somewhere, and you certainly wont find me in a bathroom (i've never seen that before, and that would probably scare me as much as you guys!) with some random guy, or my boyfriend...bathrooms are soooooo nasty...eghhh...

I've heard several references to "beating gays" and it's not this concept that bothers me, but what in hell makes you think that gay people are all wimpy and unable to defend ourselves? Personally I don't find fighting an effective way to solve any problem, and certainly not an anger release, but I am more then capable of defending myself, I've been in fights before, won all but 2, I've been beatin' up sure, I've also decked some straight guys myself, If you saw Colby I don't think you'd question his ability to defend himself. I'm not the "karate black belt" type, I'm not afraid to admit I've had the shit kicked out of me, but I am more then able to fight like any other guy, one big difference is, unlike a lot of guys, one fight settles it..."Sticks and stones can break my bones, and words can never hurt me, revenge is sweet but never complete until the man runs crying." Bitch-like, but hell, If you fight me and win, you better be ready for a hell of a lot more then a physical beating...

Ash, many people do find being gay sickining, and they are entitled, but I get offended when I hear "Lesbians are hot! but fags need to all be killed", That stuff pisses me off, hypocrisy just makes me judge this person as foolish even more...

Krotchrot (haha, great name to be posting in a sexuality thread *screenshots* :lol:)is right, it's true many homophobes are actually gay, but afraid of what "gay" is and what they might become, this even more so for christians since (most) are taught it's wrong. I feel bad for these people, there are many gays who life straight lives, married to women and with children, in denial of their true sexuality...What pains me about that is that those people will never truely be happy, everyone has the right to be happy, but religion, society, and psychological disorders prevent people from attaining true happiness.

My point to all this is, I'm the same as you, "abnormal" or not, I'm just a man, I only iron one side of my cloths, I hate the idea of laundry, I like to sit and watch TV and get wasted, I love to watch football with Colby (it's fun, I don't get all of it, but it's fun). There are things that are fem about me too, I don't deny that, I love to spend money, shopping(not just cloths men, and Hot-Topic is hardly a "queer store"), I like to watch lifetime shows like "Will and Grace" and "Golden Girls"(sometimes, some of the movies on that channel are a joke...). I like to cook...Certain things...

The only thing I can find diffrent about me then you, Is I like to fall asleep on the couch, In a mans arms. So why hate me? and why am I disgusting and evil? I told you before I'm not a slut, I don't flaunt my relationship, we aren't going to be going full frontal on the park bench. You'd see me holding my boyfriend's hand...I'll kiss him in public, and hug him, but I'm not going to be sick about it. I think straight people (AND GAY COUPLES) making out in the middle of public is really tacky...If I was out with colby and CKY I'd respect his wishes and not kiss colby infront of him, I'll live! We don't make a scene if we see a straight couple making out, I'm not going to tell them to stop, I know I have enough taste not to start insulting these people! Why would anyone think It'd be ok to do that with a gay couple?




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#322 15 years ago
The 13th RaptorI think seeing people make out in public is just annoying in general.. get a fecking room already :mad:[/quote]
CKY2KI don't care weather your gay or not don't make out in public... But if your gay its worse so then really dont do it. Because it's just disgusting.[/quote]:ditto: It is the same either way (whoever is kissing) - you do tend to look, if you dislike the sight of two girls, or two guys, you look away anyway! - Like you 'should' do anyway! [quote=IR15H]Driving cars is not "natural" seeing as they are man-made. Eating food from a can is not "natural" seeing as they are man-made. Dying your hair is not "natural". Condoms are not "natural" seeing as they are man-made, many things are not "natural" in its truest sense of the world but people still do it without any concern. One more note, oral sex doesnt cause reproduction, be it straight oral sex or not, guess thats not "natural" either.
Valid point, but my point is that most finds all of the above ok, wheras loads see homosexual sex as 'wrong' [quote=LordsOfKobol]Everything Said By This Guy

For someone that has an essay, you wrote loads :p




LordsOfKobol

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#323 15 years ago

Yes, sorry, I'm long winded...I'm going to be one of those annoying old men who will die in the rocker before I get to the point of the story I'm telling my neices and nephews. I type really fast in my opinion, never done the "words per min" test because I can't type off a prompt, but that post took me 10 minutes at most.

I don't understand why two men sleeping together would bother you? Ash, do you sleep with your husband/boyfriend in public? (I'm really hoping you say of course not...)So you wouldn't see me and Colby goin' at it in public :lol: my point is "you wont see". Why would you even care about what I do with my boyfriend in private?

You are right when you say you look, It's eye catching, I tend to get a strange feeling when people are doing that around me. You still may look if you see Colby and I holding hands, but if it offends you, like IR15H said, you can look away. While your still "offended" for that breif moment, you have as much a free will as anyone to look away. If that disturbs someone for the rest of their life to the point of consistantly thinking about it, they don't need to be on GF complaining, they need to be out there finding a psychologist! :lol: Straight couples don't care if they mess with some poor kid's head by making out in public, so I don't see how Colby and I are "worse". There are some scary looking people, and some scary couples too...Am I worse then the women who walk around wearing wash clothes as skirts?

I still think It's insane how women can fall so deeply inlove with something that doesn't change it's underwear for a week...:lol:

Anybody can be offended by anything, and the "political correctness" of the world is foolish, Black people have changed their race's name more then Michael Jackson has changed his face! We can't call them "colored" anymore, We can't call them "Negro" but we are free to donate all our money to the "United Negro College Fund"...This political correctness is stupidity, I'm not racist, but I find it offensive black people can say all this crap about me being a "cracker" or "honkey", and if I attempt to defend myself, saying "I am not a cracker any more then your 'colored!' I never cracked a whip in my life, and I'm not responsible for the slavery or the hatred, so why do I deserve your racial racial epithets?" I become an "ignorant racist". I'm tired of people being "offended" by everything, I hear people say all this bull about yankees where I live, but If I make fun of southern people I'm just "stupid", If you plan to dish it out, you better be able to take it.

Colby got in trouble for having a dixie belt buckle in school, for all of those who are unaware of that It's also known as the "Rebel Flag", It's a symbol of Southern Pride not racism, It was used by racists, the KKK, but that doesn't make it a symbol of evil. The swastika isn't "evil" but it was used by a reigme of anti-sematic government. The swastika is a very very old symbol, faaar predating the Nazis, It's been around longer then the Ankh. It has been found on pottery from Greece and Turkey over 500 BCE. The swastika is a very powerful religious symbol for Hindu's and Buddhists. A man shares his story of discrimination due to people's ignorance over the history of certian symbols Here.

Why is this kind of discrimination ok when the generally accepted symbol for gay people, two symbols for Mars connected at the small ring the symbol for the planet Mars is also used as the symbol for "Male", is instantly offensive to people?

Gays have been around for EVER and now that people are being open about it, and it's starting to become a commen part of society people have to rebel. As Arthur Schopenhauer once said "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is generally accepted as being self-evident." That truth I'm hinting at would be the acceptance of gay's as being just as average as any other old straight couple walking down the street.




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#324 15 years ago
LordsOfKobolI don't understand why two men sleeping together would bother you? Ash, do you sleep with your husband/boyfriend in public? (I'm really hoping you say of course not...)So you wouldn't see me and Colby goin' at it in public :lol: my point is "you wont see". Why would you even care about what I do with my boyfriend in private?[/quote] (me = straight) :nodding: [quote=LordsOfKobol]I still think It's insane how women can fall so deeply inlove with something that doesn't change it's underwear for a week...:lol:

Speak for yourself :p




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#325 15 years ago

:lol: I know, I shouldn't have said that, I've had crushes on straight guys...but underwear? :vikki:

I just think people need to look at what they consider the "typical gay guy" and the "typical straight guy", and realize how stupid such stereotypes are. :P




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#326 15 years ago
MeDriving cars is not "natural" seeing as they are man-made. Eating food from a can is not "natural" seeing as they are man-made. Dying your hair is not "natural". Condoms are not "natural" seeing as they are man-made, many things are not "natural" in its truest sense of the world but people still do it without any concern. One more note, oral sex doesnt cause reproduction, be it straight oral sex or not, guess thats not "natural" either.
SupaStarAsh Valid point, but my point is that most finds all of the above ok, wheras loads see homosexual sex as 'wrong'

Yes but my question is WHY? Why is it wrong? The "its unatural" argument doesnt stand up to scrutiny. I can accept people dislike it, thats fine, but to condem it as "wrong" for such a reason as "it's not natural" seems absurd.




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#327 15 years ago

It is amusing to hear so many people who dont believe in God, say it's 'unatural'. Why? The only reason you believe its unatural, is coz wether you like it or not, your mind tells you that man was created to be with woman by God. And due to all the times the story of creation was told to you in Sunday school, you start to believe that this is the way it is meant to be. BUT if so many of you dont believe in a higher power, and therefore a natural way of things, how do you know it is wrong?




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#328 15 years ago
3 KicksIt is amusing to hear so many people who dont believe in God, say it's 'unatural'. Why? The only reason you believe its unatural, is coz wether you like it or not, your mind tells you that man was created to be with woman by God. And due to all the times the story of creation was told to you in Sunday school, you start to believe that this is the way it is meant to be. BUT if so many of you dont believe in a higher power, and therefore a natural way of things, how do you know it is wrong?

Because people who dont believe in god usually believe in evolution. Since there are two sexes, they believe that people of the same sex should not be together in a sexual or romantic manner.

Instinct instructs most animals on this planet to seek out a mate of the other sex, which makes sense, because as a species, they must breed in order to survive. Homosexual acts do happen among animals, but this tends to happen when there are no females around, or when there is a case of misidentification. There are however species of animals that are mostly bisexual, dolphins and orca's for example will "play" with eachother sexually. But then again, these animals dont form couples like some other species do.

Humans dont need to breed as much as they can like the majority of animal species, sex is no longer used to bring forth new life, most of the time, in the developed parts of the world. We are not driven by instincts as much as the rest of the living things of this planet, and can think for ourselves.

People are raised with the idea that homosexuality is wrong in most cases by their parents, and their friends who are also told by their parents, and so on. No wonder that so many people are vocally against it, kids are very vulnerable to influences like that. And since its unlikely that they will change their mind, they themselves will spread the idea, hard coded so to say, to reject homosuality as something awefull. To many people do not think for themselves. "Going with the flow", rejecting homosexuality vocally, is easier, and more socially acceptable then to tolerate it vocally. Your parents think its wrong, so do your friends, classmates. Who are you to disagree.?

"Its unnatural"

This one is really weak. People do things that are unnatural all the time, wearing condoms, moving above running speed, watching tv. Evolution did not equip us to deal with these things, but we can, to some extent. And still we do these things happily. Yet you dont have people calling others unnatural freaks for having flown in a jet.

"Its sick"

Maybe to you, not to others. Remember not everyone thinks like you, Islamic people might think you are sick for eating pork, Buddists for eating and locking up cows, and people from the Watiki tribe in africa might think you are sick for looking into the eyes of the girl you are not married to, etc. Get my point? The key word is tolerance. Things that dont affect you or the environment can be ignored and no harm will be done, let others be happy like they let you be happy.

"Its a sin!"

Again, i must remind you that you share the planet with other people. christianity is by far not the only religion, and there are people who dont believe at all. Keep the good book in your churches and your bed side table, there is no need for flinging the rules contained within at others. They might not care. And besides, take the book and actually READ it from beginning to end. Instead of just listening to your Priest and Imam, and telling others what you heard him say, you will be surprised how much of a sinner you actually are. Keyword is hypocrisy. Its a boring and hard to fallow book, i know, but try. Untill you do, you have no right to even "represent" your religion.




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#329 15 years ago
LordsOfKobol:lol: I know, I shouldn't have said that, I've had crushes on straight guys...but underwear? :vikki: I just think people need to look at what they consider the "typical gay guy" and the "typical straight guy", and realize how stupid such stereotypes are. :P[/quote]Well Said :nodding:
IR15HYes but my question is WHY? Why is it wrong?[/quote]I advise you to ask someone who has a major problem with it :) [quote=3 Kicks]It is amusing to hear so many people who dont believe in God, say it's 'unatural'. Why? The only reason you believe its unatural, is coz wether you like it or not, your mind tells you that man was created to be with woman by God. And due to all the times the story of creation was told to you in Sunday school, you start to believe that this is the way it is meant to be. BUT if so many of you dont believe in a higher power, and therefore a natural way of things, how do you know it is wrong?
My 'beliefs' are unknown (I don't quite know what to believe in) - although you may have a point. However, when I look at it, I don't look at it from a religious perspective, I look at it from a Reproduction perspective, men reproduce with women (and vice versa) - Two men can't make a baby, just as two women can't! [quote=The 13th Raptor]Because people who dont believe in god usually believe in evolution. Since there are two sexes, they believe that people of the same sex should not be together in a sexual or romantic manner. Instinct instructs most animals on this planet to seek out a mate of the other sex, which makes sense, because as a species, they must breed in order to survive. Homosexual acts do happen among animals, but this tends to happen when there are no females around, or when there is a case of misidentification. There are however species of animals that are mostly bisexual, dolphins and orca's for example will "play" with eachother sexually. But then again, these animals dont form couples like some other species do. Humans dont need to breed as much as they can like the majority of animal species, sex is no longer used to bring forth new life, most of the time, in the developed parts of the world. We are not driven by instincts as much as the rest of the living things of this planet, and can think for ourselves. People are raised with the idea that homosexuality is wrong in most cases by their parents, and their friends who are also told by their parents, and so on. No wonder that so many people are vocally against it, kids are very vulnerable to influences like that. And since its unlikely that they will change their mind, they themselves will spread the idea, hard coded so to say, to reject homosuality as something awefull. To many people do not think for themselves. "Going with the flow", rejecting homosexuality vocally, is easier, and more socially acceptable then to tolerate it vocally. Your parents think its wrong, so do your friends, classmates. Who are you to disagree.? "Its unnatural" This one is really weak. People do things that are unnatural all the time, wearing condoms, moving above running speed, watching tv. Evolution did not equip us to deal with these things, but we can, to some extent. And still we do these things happily. Yet you dont have people calling others unnatural freaks for having flown in a jet. "Its sick" Maybe to you, not to others. Remember not everyone thinks like you, Islamic people might think you are sick for eating pork, Buddists for eating and locking up cows, and people from the Watiki tribe in africa might think you are sick for looking into the eyes of the girl you are not married to, etc. Get my point? The key word is tolerance. Things that dont affect you or the environment can be ignored and no harm will be done, let others be happy like they let you be happy. "Its a sin!" Again, i must remind you that you share the planet with other people. christianity is by far not the only religion, and there are people who dont believe at all. Keep the good book in your churches and your bed side table, there is no need for flinging the rules contained within at others. They might not care. And besides, take the book and actually READ it from beginning to end. Instead of just listening to your Priest and Imam, and telling others what you heard him say, you will be surprised how much of a sinner you actually are. Keyword is hypocrisy. Its a boring and hard to fallow book, i know, but try. Untill you do, you have no right to even "represent" your religion.

I'm going to give your karma for this :D - Well said, and nicely understood! Although, be prepared for someone to combat this! ;)




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#330 15 years ago
SupaStarAshHowever, when I look at it, I don't look at it from a religious perspective, I look at it from a Reproduction perspective, men reproduce with women (and vice versa) - Two men can't make a baby, just as two women can't!

Bravo! I have to agree with Ash on this whole conversation :nodding: