I'm having a debate with another forum member about whether an installation program is needed for a mod or if it is adequate to have a zip file with embedded paths as the primary installation method for a mod. So, if you have a windows computer, please count how many of these you know how to do and answer the poll. The poll is annonymous so don't worry about bragging rights. And don't do any research about it either. We want to know if this information is at your fingertips. I know how to: 1. Ping a location on the internet 2. Determine your own external IP address 3. Determine the checksum of a file 4. Copy files from your computer to a Linux computer 5. Open, and successfully edit a file on a Linux computer using SI or another similiar Linux editor. 6. Use your own computer to extract files from an archive with their embedded paths intact
I'm too cool to Post
17th September 2003
None of the tasks mentioned in the first post.
31st December 2032
4 of em, although i presume that none of them are really that hard!
I've answered "5 out of 6" since I want to be fair to the poll and I am a windows user. I should also say that some of these I've only re-learned how to do while setting up our new website over the last month or so... I guess the 6th one is the one most directly relevant to our debate (extract with paths), but the other ones were examples given in the debate of tasks people might or might not know how to do... So, I figured we'd put them up to the test....
Shizzle my nizzle
28th July 2004
I know the four non-linux ones.
I'm lying when I say trust me
8th June 2004
Capt. QueegDetermine your own external IP address
That's all I know :'(
28th April 2003
LOL No loss of dignity there. I'm quite sure there will be others who answer the same way. Look at the great and mighty AzH at post #2. Your in the same group as he. How can there be shame in that! HEY!!! You didn't vote yet! Only AzH's is counted in the None column. Don't throw off the poll!
I want to be like the Admins
29th March 2004
wow:) I guess most of users have probs with 3., 4 and 5 Iam sure that many users dont know it acually but that 80% would learn it within 10 minutes, 10% within in 1 hour, and the rest would learn it in a few hours or perhaps never;)
You better should have asked whether they are able to find out how to do it by using google and wheather they are able to read a README and follow instructrions.
maye we could create a quiz like!! - registrate you on http://xyz to get a ssh-login for xxx - Download file ftp:/xyz.zip copy it in your remote home - check md5sum and write it into a textfile on your remote home :) I could organize that, but dont want to create logins on an importand server cause Iam sure that we would have a few hackers who would look for security holes after giving them login.
Queeg I really do not want you to remove the WW.exe installer - just offer the alternative .zip on the same place so that its easy to find - and make clear that it contains the Win-Version too! ;) So everybody could decide what to use and Iam sure that some of these few people who have probs with that exe would try out the zip before posting their probs.
Oh - I had to change my vote... I get 5 out of 6 since I have no idea how to get a check sum on a windows machine.... I could see adding the zip file as a generic alternative. But I still think the EXE needs to be the primary.
Rudi Iam sure that many users dont know it acually but that 80% would learn it within 10 minutes, 10% within in 1 hour, and the rest would learn it in a few hours or perhaps never;)
I used to think the ratio would be that high but I've done too much Tech support over the years to beleive that. I think maybe 30% could do it the next day 20% more would be willing to learn it again and the other 50% would just shut their mind off saying that "they are just not computer people". People limit themselves to doing less than what they are capable of doing. And that's fine. Most everyone has the physical ability to hit the spacebar and enter key. Most everyone who is near a computer has seen and touched them. Yet I've still had to explain what they are and not to type "S-P-A-C-E", "S-H-I-F-T" or "E-N-T-E-R". The technical world is not what it was 10 years ago my friend. 10 years ago it was the inovators and people who liked to push change that had computers. Today, we are in the era of the mass market. The variety of personalities that have entered the field changes everything. It's no longer just the people who want to learn about technology. It's also those who have had it placed on their lap because of the status symbol it represents. There's almost an attitude of if you are a US citizen you must have a color TV and a computer in your house for "If you don't have a computer, what good are you?". Anyway that's getting into another topic. My point is there are alot of people who do not use a computer proactively. Instead they must be lead through the process with prompts or they'll go find something easier to do. That is not insulting or diminishing. It's just a type of user.