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AlDaja

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#1 7 years ago

This was the week that European democracy died - Telegraph

I go back 4.5 years ago when I predicted this was going to happen and tell LOBO - I told you so.:(




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#2 7 years ago

:lulz: Wow, she says a lot without telling you shit.




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#3 7 years ago

What I did understand is that the bail-out-Greece matter fucked up European economy and it backfired through some of these countries in the way that the government is establishing an economical supremacy?

Or something... No sarcasm, I really did not understand it THAT well, I think, and being European citizen, I want to get a little more knowledge on this.


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#4 7 years ago

The European council is finally getting around to enforcing the terms of the Euro.

Back when they created the Euro there were rules that you had to agree to in order to join it about how you would run your economy - so that a nation didn't end up devaluing the currency by running themselves massively into debt. (Hello, Greece.) But there wasn't any framework to enforce them.

So the European council has decided to require the national governments to submit their budgets for approval from the EU before they can be voted on in national parliaments (for those countries that even have such a vote - since the leading party here tends to command an absolute majority it's effectively a non-issue in the UK.)

The poorly argued rant the woman in the piece is forwarding, is to the effect that this means the end of democracy in Europe since your democratically elected representatives won't be the sole power behind your budget anymore.

And if, as a voter, you cannot influence your prospective government’s tax and spending policies, what exactly are you voting for?

Which rather overlooks the fact that your democratically elected representatives all sit on the European Council and most of the institutions in the EU are staffed either directly by people you elect or by people elected by people you elect. And that all the nations are going to want to maintain a degree of freedom in their spending policies so on the basis of reciprocation they're going to be fairly lax about what they allow anyway.




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#5 7 years ago

It is a bad situation and all solutions are unpleasant. All that can be done is to choose the lesser evil and right now that seems to be throwing money at Greece until the crisis blows over. And for now it seems to be working. And in all fairness, the bailout strategy did work rather well in 2008.

When the author says that this is an end to democracy then she is partially right: Greece is in the current crisis because voters favoured those politicians who kept amassing debt in return for short-term social policies that Greece couldn't afford. Hopefully this type of democracy (which also played a part in the Bush era meltdown) will come to an end now.




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#6 7 years ago

Makes me happy to know we kept the £ really.

That woman seems to rant more than actually make a point, theres no structure. Then again it is the Telegraph -_-.

So the European council has decided to require the national governments to submit their budgets for approval from the EU before they can be voted on in national parliaments (for those countries that even have such a vote - since the leading party here tends to command an absolute majority it's effectively a non-issue in the UK.)

Sounds like a good idea to me. Why put a government in power if they will run it into the ground. Yes it eliminates alot of options for the vote but will hopefully help most EU countries as well as eliminate useless promises a lot of parties make.

Will this relate to the UK though? Our currency is the £ not the Euro.

I think this shows another step forward in EU unity though, I still await the day for the creation of 'The United States of Europe'.