I don't think those of us in the UK have much to worry about from the TSA. Just don't go to America. There are much nicer places to go on holiday in Europe anyway.
You know, I'm glad I live in Canada, I do a lot of flying. When I fly back to my home province, I fly on a plane where I can actually go into the cockpit and talk to the pilots (I'm not supposed to, but I can). It has no security, there are no significant targets where I am that would attract terrorism. The same cannot be said for every airport/location though, but security shouldn't be as tight depending on where you're flying too. That's just a thought though, it isn't really a realistic one, but it would cut the time it takes to fly in half.
NiteStryker;5514648Is it not possible to drive across the country? Apparently it is because I can google directions from San Diego to New York city and it tells me how to drive there.[/QUOTE]Straw man - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Anyway, is it possible to drive across the country? Yes. Is it a realistic alternative? Absolutely not. A plane gets me to New York in 5 hours and nine minutes, a car, in two days of nonstop driving, so, at best, four days, round trip, plus whatever days I spend in New York. Most people who travel, do so for work, you think my work is going to let me take a week off while I drive? Furthermore, do you think I want to take a week worth of vacation while I drive when the average American only gets two weeks paid vacation?
[QUOTE=Granyaski;5514750]I do believe he was reffering to other nations. In the UK I can't just get up and drive to ireland, I could drive to mainland Europe but no, we would rather fly.
Both. You have to remember, the United States from coast to coast, at its shortest, is 2,092 miles (3,347 km) across.
You will never stop terrorism. Ever. Have the best security in the world on the planes doesnt stop a pilot from having a mid-air jihad epiphany and downing the plane.
So you agree they don't need to take naked x-ray pictures of us then? Case closed?
It's retarded. No where else do I pay money to get herded like cattle, yelled at, and treated like absolute garbage. I don't care about the security measures but its definitely the worst customer service you will ever get. Makes travelling crappy.
I think the big problem most people have with the TSA is they have very little education and they are given an enormous amount of power. I can't find anything on the internet citing how many terrorists they have caught, but it seems to be little to none, according to the majority of news articles I've read. Yeah I can agree to pat downs to a degree but when they start using them in the manor they are, such as patting down babies and violently groping women, thats a HUGE no no... I mean come on? All of you here are most likely law abiding citizens (Or the majority) so you shouldn't have anything to be afraid of while going through airport security... but with the way the TSA is acting it seems most of us do. I used to brush all the TSA news off like it was nothing till I saw this article. excuse my french here but... fuck that, these men defended your country, treat them with the fuckin' respect they EARNED.
That is all.
Being prepared to kill on demand, or support those who are, is not the same as being interested in defence. If you're going to treat them with the respect they earned they'd all be treated as either idiots or sociopaths. They're enabling, at the detriment of their society, the perpetuation of a fundamentally broken foreign policy.
Don't get me wrong, I've nothing personally against it. There are lots of reasons to kill or support it - maybe you just wanted to see what the inside of someone's head looked like, maybe you were mean and stupid and couldn't get a better job, maybe you just lived in a small town where the buses didn't run, maybe you just honestly like the work or the social environment. I don't know and I don't much care which reason or reasons apply for any particular case. But no-one owes them shit beyond the wage they were promised for it. It's not like they were doing anyone a self-less favour from the goodness of their sweet and fluffy hearts.
That's an entirely different argument. I'm talking about the TSA abusing the power they're given... not about the aspects of a soldier killing an enemy. Though, I do support soldiers and what they do, its a job I couldn't do and its one that needs to be done... in my opinion
I don't see that it is a separate argument. You didn't care however many thousands of civilians were abused, not until it happened to a soldier. At which point you started caring, supposedly on the grounds that he'd earned the right to be treated better. But if he didn't fulfil the criteria for earning that right - defence - then you've either misstated your reasons or you shouldn't care....
Or perhaps I'm simply misreading you; this is also fairly likely.
Yeah, your right, the fact that I hold soldiers in such a high regard skews my opinion in many arguments. For me, reading that article lead me toward more articles on the subject and I started to see the shenanigans they were pulling, it was just a catalyst. BUT, that being said I stand by my earlier statement; those men earned, at the very least, my respect for serving their country and I don't think anyone has the right to interrogate and yell at them for injury they received in the line of duty.
I don't know if I should post in this thread, does anyone know if it will give us an automatic flight ban? Normally I would be happy to avoid the most degrading customer treatment I have ever gone through and just boycott the damn country, but I can't afford to take a boat and the option of not visiting my fiancée at all is worse than a few hours of humiliation.
The airport security joke has gone too far, it was funny when it was introduced, but it's costing people ridiculous amounts of money and raising ticket prices and flight times everywhere. I wouldn't be surprised if the fact that flying within or to the US is retardedly expensive has to do with security costs.
Okay, I can accept having to be interrogated by a security monkey before being allowed on a plane, but why can you not find one that speaks bloody English? Hell, I'm the one who is supposed to be a damn terrorist, and I speak better English than those guys, how are they ever going to find out if someone is actually fishy? Not to mention how nasty the reverse racial profiling is, my girlfriend is always picked out for extra patdowns and security checks, no doubt because she as a blonde US citizen is the lowest threat for lazy security personnel. :uhm: