weirdal = new ptaq()
2nd September 2003
I've full confidence that our more unofficial system will prevail...In that a fair few people will mysteriously stop coming to school well before they were legally able to. It happens everywhere, and without doubt not just here.
It's kind of them and such to enforce this kind of thing, but frankly, there are subjects at A-level which are not suited to many people intent on leaving education. For example, I don't think many GCSE-dropouts would have an interest in taking the A2 physics-synoptic paper.
In essence, the government is going to be stretching its already-thin coverage of teachers, be it in school or in the workplace, and reduce productivity and overall learning quality as a result.
I can't vouch for IB students since I've never had the opportunity to take the course, but if you ask any A-Level student what one of the biggest perks about their course is, it's the loss of compensating for those who learn at a far slower rate. A quarter of the way through the first year, most people have got bored of mentioning how they wished they were taught their subjects in the way that they are receiving. The government wants to change the rules a bit...Almost sounds like the government doesn't like us learning, then.
However, it implicitly says that apprenticeships and such are an alternative to A-level/IB studies. This sounds great until you realise just how many people drop out of school for A-level. The size of the year group around here becomes roughly 60%, and I believe we have the highest intake of sixth-form students (percentage-wise) in the county. If we assume a year group size is 300, and take 70% as the continuation rate (taking colleges into account), we've theoretically got 90 more students per school per year who are forced to go to an educational institute or take an apprenticeship. First source I find says there are 4230 secondary schools in the UK. This makes 380700 more enforced educations per year, and an equal distribution of these numbers gives us 126900 new students to college, sixth form and apprenticeships. I'm all for learning, but I'd like to actually do it at full capability, thanks anyway.
These are hypothetical numbers, but by the time this matters, it won't be my problem, so you'll excuse me for not doing accurate sourcemongering. I think however, that I wrote enough to make my point. :uhm:
Wanna go Double Dutch?
9th December 2003
Just raising an age limmit won't change much. It might keep some kids into school but there motivation will be totally off the scale. Chanches they will graduate with reasonable marks or graduate at all would be slim.
A better solution would be to motivate people to stay in school (but not force them). Motivate highly educated students to reach even further. Make sure there is are enough teacher that can personally guide student, help them with their problems etc. Make sure that there is a large variety of subjects. Only by encouraging people to stay in school can you achief more and higher educated students.
Pethegreat;3482028 The only reason Europe does better than the US in test scores is the fact that they only test those who are college bound.
Who on Earth told you that pile of rubbish.
We are tested through the roof.
Up until age 14 (or thereabouts, Year 9) us English are given the SAT's (different to the american test of the same name.
After that, all pupils spend two years of preparation for the G.C.S.E's, and some take GNVQ's as well.
After that if we go to college, its AS levels, then A-Levels (and eqyivalents). After that, its undergraduate degree level, and so on and so forth.
Hm, what happens if you are 17 and the law is passed? Are you forced back? In any case...
If the person can support themselves it shouldn't matter, but if they can't support themselves I think it wouldn't be uncalled for to require some job training. At least that way they can find a trade and not be a leech.
Changing the leaving age would greatly affect the attitude of people in the 6th form (A-level). Currently, most people who enter for A-levels actually want to be there, meaning that everyone is nicer to each other, and get on with their respective courses. Changing the leaving age would ruin this, and probably lower A-level average grades.
Europe VS United states? u cant fight in this one... there are a lot more useless waste of life living in the US then europe
Pethegreat;3482028The only reason Europe does better than the US in test scores is the fact that they only test those who are college bound. If the US would do that, the scores would be even.
I took an American SAT (at 17) because my school was taking part in a study about it. In all honesty it was the easiest exam I've taken since I took my Key Stage 3 exams at thirteen. Obviously it was harder than KS3 but it was significantly easier than GCSE exams I took at 16, let alone the A-levels I took at 17/18. And when I say easy, I mean I actually forgot that we had to do it until we were reminded by an announcement to go do the thing...about two hours before the test.
If your tests are easier (I say they are and I imagine I'm one of the few that has taken both) and you're still getting worse results than us, your country needs to start getting worried mate. I know exam results aren't everything but I find it depressing that people can do so badly on those tests.
Mind you, I don't know how else things are assesed in the US, beyond the SAT test.
17th June 2002
Cloak Raider;3483294Hm, what happens if you are 17 and the law is passed? Are you forced back? In any case...
I should think it will only apply to those people who are still in school, much like they probably won't be calling people back out of retirement when they bump up the retirement age in a few years time.
I think Mary Poppins is fit.
13th July 2006
I don't agree with changing the leaving age to 18. Most people at the end of year 11 who are planning on staying in sixth form think of it has a relief because they're are getting away from those who play up and don't listen in class - meaning they havent got into sixth form. They can do some real learning and concentrate on getting those A-Levels. How can they do that when they're stuck with those that do not want to learn for another two years?