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Mast3rofPuppets Advanced Member

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The U.S. Navy and the Swedish navy signed a Memorandum of Understanding March 21 that will begin a bilateral training effort, providing a Swedish advanced diesel submarine and crew for U.S. Navy fleet anti-submarine warfare (ASW) training. The partnership will focus on ASW system test and evaluation, as well as the combined development of naval capabilities. “Recent establishment of the Fleet ASW Command in San Diego, Calif., combined with the planned deployment of a state-of-the-art Swedish diesel sub and crew to the West Coast, provides our forces innovative opportunities to train during combined exercises,” said U.S. Fleet Forces Command Director of Readiness and Training, Rear Adm. Don Bullard. The Swedish navy will provide an advanced diesel submarine, a Gotland-class air independent propulsion (AIP) submarine, for the U.S. Navy’s long-term use. ASW training will be conducted from San Diego and attached to Submarine Squadron 11. The Swedish submarine will be Swedish-flagged, commanded, manned and operated. U.S. Navy personnel will be aboard the Swedish submarine as riders and observers for training purposes. The mission of this training effort is to conduct focused and integrated ASW training and assessment of the U.S. Navy’s fleet ASW operations, tactics and doctrine, and ASW education. The U.S.-Swedish effort will focus on acoustic analysis performance of fleet operators aboard all ASW platforms; theater, carrier/expeditionary strike group, unit-level ship, aviation squadron and submarine levels ASW performance assessments against standardized, common metrics; individual student ASW training and qualifications; and overall theater undersea warfare capability. “This U.S.-Swedish effort will demonstrate the further development of international interoperability between the two nations,” said Inspector of the Royal Swedish Navy, Rear Adm. Jörgen Ericsson. Nations around the globe continue to acquire quiet and lethal submarines designed to operate in littoral regions and the open ocean. With advanced developments in weaponry and propulsion, the nature of ASW has changed, increasing the risks to operations at sea. Control of littoral environments is essential to ensuring prompt access for joint forces moving ashore from the sea. Future ASW effectiveness in this critical area demands a dedicated focus on sensors, operational doctrine, and fleet ASW training. Through U.S. and Swedish efforts, both navies are meeting this challenge head on, and preparing for the future. “This will vastly improve our capability to conduct realistic, effective antisubmarine warfare training that is so critical to the Navy’s ability to accomplish our mission,” said Bullard. “It also expands our efforts in developing coalition ASW tactics, techniques and procedures. This is a great opportunity for both navies, and we are very excited about it." This bilateral effort is a great example of the U.S. and Swedish navies’ commitment to ensure that our naval service and those of our allies and partners retain operational primacy at sea. ------------------------------- The American’s interest in this type of submarine was aroused earlier, during joint naval exercises, when the USN failed in its efforts to track a Gotland-class sub. Sweden’s conventional (non-nuclear) submarines are small and feature stealth technology that enables them to remain hidden beneath the surface for weeks at a time, without risk of revealing their position. Their smaller size also means that they can operate in shallower littoral waters. ”The US Navy is a blue-water navy, designed to operate in the major oceans of the world, and faces a considerable challenge in protecting itself from hostile submarines in shallow littoral waters. The Swedish submarines are silent running and equipped with excellent combat management systems,”

http://www.news.navy.mil/search/display.asp?story_id=17621 and http://www.kockums.se/News/041105lease.html

I found this interesting, and I'm sure it will provide both navys with valuable experience :). I wonder how well our Gotland sub will handle against the USN, but prepere to get your ass whopped ;) :beer:.

Here's some facts about the Gotland class:

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http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/gotland/index.html#gotland1

The Gotland sub uses the Saab Bofors Underwater Systems Torpedo 2000 (according to them it's the most powerfull torpedo in the world). I have a video when a Torpedo 2000 literally blows a destroyer in two pieces! (contact me on MSN if you want it).




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#2 16 years ago

Cool. How big is the video? Upload it to www.yousendit.com and post the addy here.




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#3 16 years ago
The Swedish submarine will be Swedish-flagged, commanded, manned and operated. U.S. Navy personnel will be aboard the Swedish submarine as riders and observers for training purposes.

think there'll be a power struggle at some point?




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#4 16 years ago

Well, you have to stream it from Saab Bofors dynamics website.

The video is like 5-10 mins long and shows many of Saab Bofors weapon systems. Somewhere in the middle it will show the Torpedo 2000, but watch the whole thing because they show some interesting stuff :).

Click this link:

http://www.saab.se/dynamics/

Then "Company presentation" in the down left (press launch application if you get a pop-up).




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#5 16 years ago

You really have a thing for Saabs, dont you MoP? Not so sure about the ass whooping though :D




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#6 16 years ago

hehe thats intresting news, time to show those americans they dont rule on all territories. muhahaha , uhm i mean. Suprised to hear it will opperated under the swedish flag, i expected them to put a US flag on it , US crew and only some swedish tutors. shame on me and my stereotype american army (navy) behaviour. :p




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#7 16 years ago
Großadmiral DönitzSuprised to hear it will opperated under the swedish flag, i expected them to put a US flag on it , US crew and only some swedish tutors. shame on me and my stereotype american army (navy) behaviour. :p

Well it's a Swedish made submarine, US crews wouldn't know how to handle it, (just as Swedish crews wouldn't be able to handle a US submarine).

Swedish submarines are designed specifically for operating in the shallow waters of the littoral zone, and Swedish Navy crews are specially trained in the skills essential to missions in this niche sector. Since the September 11 terrorist attack, possible threat scenarios embrace precisely this type of littoral zone, which is highly susceptible to terrorist attack.

The Stockholm archipelago consists of +30.000 islands (and that's just around the Stockholm area), that's why our subs are made (and the crew trained) to operate in shallow water. That's also the reason why the USN wants to train against a Gotland class submarine.

The USN is not designed to operate is shallow water, the Swedish navy is. The Swedish navy is not designed to operate in the open sea, the USN is.




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#8 16 years ago

Thats some interesting news. I'll have to check out that vid link you posted as well MoP.