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Joe Bonham

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#1 11 years ago

(Note: I didn't put this in the Warhammer subforum because almost by definition, I doubt any of them would know the answer to my question) I used to play a lot of the Games Workshop (GW) tabletop games. But frankly, I'm sick of spending hundreds and hundreds of dollars on a handful of models. And the pricing scam makes it impossible to win without buying the most expensive models (The "alpha" player in the GW shop I used to go to got me branded as a "cheater" because I somehow managed to win a lot with only a normal army). So basically - I'm looking for a different system. I'm not picky. It could be models like GW or with counters. From what I've heard, the counter games are mostly dead, being outcompeted by computer games. The GW set up is a good idea - having tables where people can meet and play. I figured FF might be a large enough place to ask this - as there might just be a person who knows the answer. Just give me a name of a company in the USA, then I can look up a directory and see if they're in business in my region.

EDIT: Flames of War looks pretty interesting. Anyone played this?




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#2 11 years ago

I used to play abit of Warhammer.

I would play against vets, with, like you, a largely normal army.

However, I would also get accused of cheating and breaking the rules for winning.

Its not my fault if massive 30 year old geeks who live with their mums cant come up with a decent strategy, especially against (at the time), a 14 year old kid.

As I was a kid, I generally got quite upset over the whole accusations, and just quit and gave all my stuff away.

As for counter games, I'm afraid that GW seem to have one hell of a monopley on the whole thing, you'll be hard pressed to find a good non-GW franchise. Thats not to say they dont exist however.




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#3 11 years ago

There are a few alternatives that I know of.

First of all, Rackham's Confrontation is a relatively small game (skirmishes basically). The models are not cheap (although cheaper than GW) but are universally excellent. If you enjoy painting then you get more than your money's worth; if you don't then it's probably not for you. The basic rules are included with each blister pack, but I believe you can buy more comprehensive rules.

http://www.rackham.fr/

Another one is Reaper Miniature's Warlord and CAV games. Warlord is probably closer to Warhammer in terms of battle size, so it might be a good compromise for you. CAV is a sci-fi game similar to Mechwarrior, featuring CAVs (the walkers, akin to Mechs), tanks anf tiny infantry. I have not seen or played the final rules of either, but I did see the rules when they were freely available for pre-release testing and they looked pretty good IMO. It's worth noting that the forum community at Reaper is very friendly.

http://www.reapermini.com/

Obviously you won't get the coverage you get with GW, but meh, you should be able to get them with little problem. It's worth remembering that although you can't do it in a GW store, if you play with friends/aquaintances elsewhere, you don't have to use GW models to play. You can use anything from cheaper models from other companies to card squares with dice marking how many soldiers, squad leaders (standard bearers, musicians etc) are left.




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#4 11 years ago
DavetheFo;3509973I used to play abit of Warhammer. I would play against vets, with, like you, a largely normal army. However, I would also get accused of cheating and breaking the rules for winning. Its not my fault if massive 30 year old geeks who live with their mums cant come up with a decent strategy, especially against (at the time), a 14 year old kid. As I was a kid, I generally got quite upset over the whole accusations, and just quit and gave all my stuff away.

Same here. My stuff is sitting in a closet unused right now. Still considering what to do with it. Good to know I'm not the only one. Also, table top games have very abritary rules, so its easy to "cheat" inadvertently or subconciously. For example - moving a piece 7 inches instead of 6. omgz cheater! :rolleyes:

I agree, its kind of sad that the guys who dominate the place are college drop outs who can barely pay the electric bill (or like you said are still living with mom.):lol:

As for counter games, I'm afraid that GW seem to have one hell of a monopley on the whole thing, you'll be hard pressed to find a good non-GW franchise. Thats not to say they dont exist however.

A little digging has revealed some nice looking alternatives, unfortunately I have to agree with you - GW has a virtual monopoly the hobby shop environment.

There are a few alternatives that I know of.

First of all, Rackham's Confrontation is a relatively small game (skirmishes basically). The models are not cheap (although cheaper than GW) but are universally excellent. If you enjoy painting then you get more than your money's worth; if you don't then it's probably not for you. The basic rules are included with each blister pack, but I believe you can buy more comprehensive rules.

http://www.rackham.fr/

Another one is Reaper Miniature's Warlord and CAV games. Warlord is probably closer to Warhammer in terms of battle size, so it might be a good compromise for you. CAV is a sci-fi game similar to Mechwarrior, featuring CAVs (the walkers, akin to Mechs), tanks anf tiny infantry. I have not seen or played the final rules of either, but I did see the rules when they were freely available for pre-release testing and they looked pretty good IMO. It's worth noting that the forum community at Reaper is very friendly.

http://www.reapermini.com/

Very helpful. Thanks!

I have found an abundance of alternative games. Problem is, there's a shortage of players. I'm posting ads in game discussion boards to see if there's any players around, and just hoping for the best.

Obviously you won't get the coverage you get with GW, but meh, you should be able to get them with little problem. It's worth remembering that although you can't do it in a GW store, if you play with friends/aquaintances elsewhere, you don't have to use GW models to play. You can use anything from cheaper models from other companies to card squares with dice marking how many soldiers, squad leaders (standard bearers, musicians etc) are left.

That's what I do when I play GW games outside the store. I have an assortment of cheap plastic models (And even lego pieces :lol:) to stand for units.




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#5 11 years ago

Machiavelli's Apprentice;3509903 I figured FF might be a large enough place to ask this - as there might just be a person who knows the answer. Just give me a name of a company in the USA, then I can look up a directory and see if they're in business in my region.

EDIT: Flames of War looks pretty interesting. Anyone played this?

I ordered some models from FoW once. I never played the game, though.

BTW, check out this site.




Joe Bonham

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#6 11 years ago

Excellent. Thanks! ;)




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#7 11 years ago

You could look at older games, which you can sometimes get for free. You still have to buy models and find a few friends who are willing to play an older system though, but models of older games are either not very expensive or you can just replace them with paper-counters.

edit: Here's a site with rules for some free (and legal) games: http://www.hasbro.com/default.cfm?page=cs_instructions&letter=A




Bs|Archaon

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#8 11 years ago

It might be worth asking on the Reaper forum, see if there are any local gamers. Alternatively if there are any independant stores around they may have players for all kinds of games; might be worth checking them out to see what games are popular in your area. And I've just realised that I didn't exactly give a glowing description of Rackham, so let me just reaffirm that their models are truly excellent and if you enjoy the collection/painting side as much as the gaming then in all honesty, overall as a brand they are the best miniatures I've ever seen.




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#9 11 years ago

Cheaper? Find 5 friends and play some RISK. Warhammer is just too expensive to play.




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#10 11 years ago

Risk is not that good compared to Warhammer..




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