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Flakpanzer

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#1 11 years ago

So I've come to the decision a while back that when I turned 18, I would buy a gun for self-defense when I go camping/outdoors. First, I won't lie by saying I'm a tough-guy asskicker. I'm utterly mortified of being on my own in the wilderness, ESPECIALLY at night. Even in campgrounds. I just have that ridiculous fear of what I can't see. On top of this, I've always wanted to get a rifle just for the hell of it. I really enjoy shooting rifles in general. Anyways, ideally, I'd like to get a small rifle, one that is small in size (since I'll have it with me regularly, I want it to be small in a practical sense. It wouldn't be effective to carry around a full-size hunting rifle, for example) but decent in stopping power and ease of use/cleaning. I haven't really decided whether I want a bolt-action or semi-auto rifle, and quite frankly, I don't know much when it comes to calibers and brands. As such, I also don't know what will offer the best stopping power while also being practical. I'd much prefer a handgun, but the legal age to purchase one is 21 and getting a CCW (concealed weapon) permit, so that more or less rules this idea out. Also, I'm pretty stingy so if possible, try to ensure that suggestions are as cheap as possible. I know, guns are expensive, but I need to keep my standards realistic. Any suggestions?




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#2 11 years ago

Well I am a tough-guy ass kicker (dispite my small size) at times, but I have to agree with the whole can't see thing. I hate campsites on a moonless night. Look at me: http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r121/Atrusino/atrusinosword1.jpg I'm little! I don't want a deer to come rampaging through camp at night.. Regardless though.. If you're lookin for inexpensive, I'd have to say go for old surplus. There are some downsides to them, but they're much less expensive than a new gun and they can get fair in size. Some of the old Russian rifles are 7.62 Long and though the ammo prices can get ya, the rifles shoot nicely. New? I'm lookin into getting a Remington 700. It's a nice rifle for all levels of hunting skill and more than adequate for defense (unless you have really keen night eyes and can see 2 miles away). You can get some of the older stuff for around $250 and I know you can get a Model 700 for under $200.. Least you can here =/




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#3 11 years ago

being afraid of being attacked by wildlife isnt rediculous, id say carrying a gun when your going into an area where you know there are bears and things is actually pretty smart. if your out there with nobody else around for miles and a bear decides youll make a nice lunch the only way you can be sure of remaining unharmed is with a powerfull enough gun. if you want something to carry with you outdoors, first make sure its allowed in the area your in. there are a lot of laws about firearms in state and national parks. check them out for your state. id suggest getting a lever action rifle in a big caliber if you want something to protect yourself from wildlife. lever guns are also fun to shoot, although they arent as accurate and dont have as much range as a bolt action. a used one would probably be your best bet for a good deal on one though, they can get pretty expensive.




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#4 11 years ago

Personally I wouldn't get any gun for self defence at all (so I don't end up making a very bad error that can't be undone). If living in an area where armed criminals are common I would move out to an area with low/less violent crime.

The only reason why I would consider buying a weapon would be if I would be in an dangerous wilderness area for conitues or unavaidable amounts of time or purely for recreational purposes (firing old WW2 rifles etc.).




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#5 11 years ago

Sorry, but I don't think that it is a very good idea to mix firearms with scared teenagers. Especially at night and in an area crowded with other teenagers.




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#6 11 years ago

Flakpanzer;3704648First, I won't lie by saying I'm a tough-guy asskicker. I'm utterly mortified of being on my own in the wilderness, ESPECIALLY at night. Even in campgrounds. I just have that ridiculous fear of what I can't see. On top of this, I've always wanted to get a rifle just for the hell of it. I really enjoy shooting rifles in general.[/quote]

You sir are possibly the first honest person to ever grace these boards, congratulations. Unfortunately, everybody else on these forums is tough enough to wrestle a bear to the ground, so I don't know how much sympathy you'll get from them.

I just wish that our government hadn't ruled us too childish to own such weapons, as I could offer some advice then.

[quote=MrFancypants;3704861]Sorry, but I don't think that it is a very good idea to mix firearms with scared teenagers. Especially at night and in an area crowded with other teenagers.

And you propose that he does... what, exactly, when a bear or a wolf with an appetite comes along? Or a maniacal axe murderer?

Play dead?

Offer them candy?

Call the police?!




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#7 11 years ago

In my case, I do often camp in remote areas, albeit not necessarily to a mountain-man extent, most of the places I camp are known for bear, deer and moose sightings within camps, therefore I prefer not to chance it the one time I need a weapon and I didn't get one because "scared teenagers" shouldn't have guns. Strelok, you make a good point about local laws, and I will probably have to look further into them to be sure of which camp-grounds/locations in the sticks I am allowed/not allowed to tote it around on. Also, I have heard good things about remington model 700's in my googling today. I might take a look at those as well. I don't know much about lever-action rifles, but I do remember back when I was a little kid, I always had trouble working the lever on my old toy gun which was also a lever-action. The motion of it was always akward for me.




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#8 11 years ago

Mr. Matt;3704955 And you propose that he does... what, exactly, when a bear or a wolf with an appetite comes along? Or a maniacal axe murderer?

Play dead?

Offer them candy?

Call the police?!

I don't propose anything, I just say that the chances of a maniacal axe murderer attacking a camp at night aren't high enough to accept the risks associated with scared gunwielding teenagers.




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#9 11 years ago

Thats running on the baseless assumption that I'm jumpy and triggerhappy. I merely said I do not like the void of darkness that more or less makes up the entirety of the forest at 2AM. I'm not jumpy, nor triggerhappy. Lets not run afoul with assumptions.




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#10 11 years ago

MrFancypants;3704985I don't propose anything, I just say that the chances of a maniacal axe murderer attacking a camp at night aren't high enough to accept the risks associated with scared gunwielding teenagers.[/quote]I'm with an Jan on this one. A wouldn't get a gun for self defence unless I would be "certain" to end up being attacked. That would be when I would be camping in the middle of nowhere in an area crowed with bears, wolfs and no camp protecting me what so ever, me ending up camping in Iraq etc. Unless there is a high risc of being attacked the potential trouble isn't worht it.

[quote=Flakpanzer;3704995]Thats running on the baseless assumption that I'm jumpy and triggerhappy. I merely said I do not like the void of darkness that more or less makes up the entirety of the forest at 2AM. I'm not jumpy, nor triggerhappy. Lets not run afoul with assumptions.

That is not what he meant, even a calm person can make mistakes. Especially young and experiened people but even experienced people could make huge mistakes. It's not impossible at all for you to make a fatal mistake and ending up firing too fast or even on something that isn't a target at all due to misjudgement, fear or perhaps even entoxication or rage.

The same reason why a gun at a house probably won't save you either: If you are extremely carefull with it and keep the gun and ammo stored seperatly and both behind lock and key... by the time you have prepared yourself it probably would be too late to fight of an attack. And if you had time enough to do prepare you almost certainly would have had time to escape the dangerzone aswell or call for proffesional backup (police).

Just my two cents.