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#1 3 years ago

Which idiot came up with the idea first? Why is the entire entertainment industry beating this dead (or zombified, if you prefer) horse? And why does everybody hang onto it, like the idea of rapidly decaying corpses that will barely be able to hold themselves, running around, is super plausible?




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#2 3 years ago

random_soldier1337;5760802Which idiot came up with the idea first? [/QUOTE]

The concept of the reanimated dead, specifically zombies, dates back centuries. It is impossible to say who came up with the concept first, just like it is impossible to say who came up with the concept of vampires or werewolves.

That being said, it was mostly George A. Romero who popularized zombies with his Living Dead series of films.

random_soldier1337;5760802Why is the entire entertainment industry beating this dead (or zombified, if you prefer) horse?

If an idea works, then the entertainment industry is going to use it until it stops working. The concept is still working, so it keeps being used. I wouldn't say the entire entertainment industry is doing it, though. I'd say a fairly small part of it does, to be honest.

[QUOTE=random_soldier1337;5760802] And why does everybody hang onto it, like the idea of rapidly decaying corpses that will barely be able to hold themselves, running around, is super plausible?

People generally don't think too deeply into how the zombies would be able to move despite their decayed bodies. They are too focused on the idea of trying to survive in an apocalyptic world; an apocalyptic world that isn't just bleak rubble everywhere, which is not horribly common in non-zombie apocalyptic scenarios.


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#3 3 years ago

The genre is a lot better then it once was. It mostly focuses on the human condition nowadays, which is the only reason I give it any attention. If it were about the dead/zombies, people would become bored a lot sooner.

People will never get tired of character studies, and apocalyptic scenarios (genocide, nuclear war, zombies, etc.) are always one of the best ways to do such studies.




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Ryojin;5760806If an idea works, then the entertainment industry is going to use it until it stops working. The concept is still working, so it keeps being used. I wouldn't say the entire entertainment industry is doing it, though. I'd say a fairly small part of it does, to be honest.[/QUOTE]

Dunno. Seems so regular to me. You have a zombie game or movie being developed every other day it seems. Well movies may have slowed down on that front (sort of) but The most annoying one is fuckin' Resident Evil. Both the movies and the games are a convoluted and uninteresting mess. Why won't they let it fucking die already!? Quit injecting your alphanumerically named, ordered and imaginary viruses into the franchise and let the poor putrefying thing die already!

Ryojin;5760806People generally don't think too deeply into how the zombies would be able to move despite their decayed bodies. They are too focused on the idea of trying to survive in an apocalyptic world; an apocalyptic world that isn't just bleak rubble everywhere, which is not horribly common in non-zombie apocalyptic scenarios.

[QUOTE=Schofield;5760813]The genre is a lot better then it once was. It mostly focuses on the human condition nowadays, which is the only reason I give it any attention. If it were about the dead/zombies, people would become bored a lot sooner.

People will never get tired of character studies, and apocalyptic scenarios (genocide, nuclear war, zombies, etc.) are always one of the best ways to do such studies.

NOT SERIOUS: Whoa! That's like some seriously deep shit bruh! That's like radical thinking like just like and like the Jihadi dudes. Literally radical!

SERIOUS: No offense to you guys. It's just a personal thing, I guess, but I don't see how I can take any of these studies seriously when I can't relate to and take the situation itself seriously.




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#5 3 years ago

random_soldier1337;5760839Dunno. Seems so regular to me. You have a zombie game or movie being developed every other day it seems. [/QUOTE]

Perhaps, but for every zombie-themed thing being developed, there's at least 100 non-zombie-themed things being developed too. Perspective! :D

random_soldier1337;5760839The most annoying one is fuckin' Resident Evil. Both the movies and the games are a convoluted and uninteresting mess. Why won't they let it fucking die already!? Quit injecting your alphanumerically named, ordered and imaginary viruses into the franchise and let the poor putrefying thing die already!

A better thing to complain about would be the continuation of the CoD series, or any other series that is the same old shit over and over. At least with RE, they try to change things up now and then. As for the movies... Well, we all know that Hollywood will milk anything until there's no value left. No need to waste your breath complaining about it, it won't change.

[QUOTE=random_soldier1337;5760839] NOT SERIOUS: Whoa! That's like some seriously deep shit bruh! That's like radical thinking like just like and like the Jihadi dudes. Literally radical!

SERIOUS: No offense to you guys. It's just a personal thing, I guess, but I don't see how I can take any of these studies seriously when I can't relate to and take the situation itself seriously.

You can't take it seriously because you focus too much on how a decayed body can move. Suspend your disbelief a little bit, and you may find that you enjoy it more.


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#6 3 years ago
Ryojin;5760844 You can't take it seriously because you focus too much on how a decayed body can move. Suspend your disbelief a little bit, and you may find that you enjoy it more.

Suspension of disbelief only works so far. The illusion is completely broken when one or more things happen that are just conveniently (quite often for the bad guy) stupid, especially in these robot/zombie/alien/whatever apocalypse scenarios.

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For example, the most recent zombie apocalypse movie I saw was Zombieland. From the entire setup I take it that it probably didn't receive the greatest of reviews and/or was made to be family friendly or possibly pg-13 at worst. Anyhow, in the first incident, the protagonist and his buddy find two sisters, the elder suggesting that the younger was infected and wanted to be euthanized. The protagonist tries but the elder sister suggests that she'd rather be the one shooting. And then once the gun is in her hands, she turns on the protagonist and his buddy, holding them up, taking all they had and leaving them high and dry. I suppose it's a relatively believable case of emotions vs. logic and I'll give the movie the benefit of the doubt. But then there was the scene where they just happen on the mansion of a famous actor where he's holed up dressed like a zombie. They figure him out, except the protagonist, and the actor decides to scare the protagonist (with the consent of the rest) which results in him getting shot by the protagonist, which in my opinion was unbelievably stupid. Why would someone dress like a zombie in a zombie apocalypse? The zombies probably have some sort of instinctual IFF sense and looking like one of them would probably get you shot by a normal dude. And why did none of the others have the sense to tell him that? See what I mean by conveniently stupid?




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#7 3 years ago
random_soldier1337;5760878 For example, the most recent zombie apocalypse movie I saw was Zombieland. From the entire setup I take it that it probably didn't receive the greatest of reviews and/or was made to be family friendly or possibly pg-13 at worst. Anyhow, in the first incident, the protagonist and his buddy find two sisters, the elder suggesting that the younger was infected and wanted to be euthanized. The protagonist tries but the elder sister suggests that she'd rather be the one shooting. And then once the gun is in her hands, she turns on the protagonist and his buddy, holding them up, taking all they had and leaving them high and dry. I suppose it's a relatively believable case of emotions vs. logic and I'll give the movie the benefit of the doubt. But then there was the scene where they just happen on the mansion of a famous actor where he's holed up dressed like a zombie. They figure him out, except the protagonist, and the actor decides to scare the protagonist (with the consent of the rest) which results in him getting shot by the protagonist, which in my opinion was unbelievably stupid. Why would someone dress like a zombie in a zombie apocalypse? The zombies probably have some sort of instinctual IFF sense and looking like one of them would probably get you shot by a normal dude. And why did none of the others have the sense to tell him that? See what I mean by conveniently stupid?

That's less a problem with the zombie genre and more a problem with the comedy genre.


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#8 3 years ago

The problem is you're trying to attach scientific reasoning to a genre that has literally forsaken that avenue of science. Which is what suspension of disbelief is precisely for... I don't know many people who look at zombies and try to come up with a logical reason as to how they operate. That's why almost everything in the genre completely ignores their inner clockwork.

As for your example, well, that's just bad writing. Bad writing exists in any genre, especially comedies.




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Any apocalypse scenario focuses on the few human stragglers left alive and trying to survive. That's what sells, not zombies. Zombies are a much easier way to create a post-apocalyptic world than making up a global disaster from scratch. So, zombies are used. Which sounds easier to make into a TV series/comic book/etc? "A virus causes corpses to reanimate and start killing people." or "[insert completely new disaster here] has caused the extinction of 90% of the human race and replaced them with [insert fictional race that takes over]." On the first example, you have a cause (virus), a symptom (zombies) and an effect (annihilation) ready for use. On the second one, you need a cause (disaster) and a symptom (race). People are lazy, they don't want to think of a spaceship crashing into the Earth, unleashing magnetically-inverted Tetryon particles that kill all humans and mutate tortoises to become giant carnivores. It took me 5 mins to think of that. And it's a terrible idea. Why would anyone waste hours/days trying to find a completely new disaster when there are many already available? People are lazy.




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Schofield;5760897The problem is you're trying to attach scientific reasoning to a genre that has literally forsaken that avenue of science.[/QUOTE]

Then why the hell are they giving us a huge ass scientific explanation!? And then why am I not expected to apply it in return if they have to decide to go through one themselves?

Most of the zombie movies have some stupid microbe as the cause nowadays and they take the time to explain all the nuances of the causes and effects and then all of a sudden I shouldn't question in return that if they have all that info, then how the hell can they not explain the plausibility of the entire situation? Or at least one loophole I managed to find? I'd be more likely to suspend my disbelief then. Or they could altogether just start going with 'dark magic' or 'alien science' instead of something that they try to explain but which becomes clear is absolute and utter bullshit. At least with the "We don't understand" explanation it seems one would be more likely to let it go. You know, since if the smart dudes within the story don't understand it then how can the outside observer?

Uchuujin;5760904Any apocalypse scenario focuses on the few human stragglers left alive and trying to survive. That's what sells, not zombies. Zombies are a much easier way to create a post-apocalyptic world than making up a global disaster from scratch. So, zombies are used. Which sounds easier to make into a TV series/comic book/etc? "A virus causes corpses to reanimate and start killing people." or "[insert completely new disaster here] has caused the extinction of 90% of the human race and replaced them with [insert fictional race that takes over]." On the first example, you have a cause (virus), a symptom (zombies) and an effect (annihilation) ready for use. On the second one, you need a cause (disaster) and a symptom (race). People are lazy, they don't want to think of a spaceship crashing into the Earth, unleashing magnetically-inverted Tetryon particles that kill all humans and mutate tortoises to become giant carnivores.

Well if I didn't know why fictional storytelling in media is so terrible these days, I do now. It's just for the money, right? Nobody cares about making something new or fresh or actually venturing out of their comfort zone to create something innovative and attractive? [QUOTE=Uchuujin;5760904]It took me 5 mins to think of that. And it's a terrible idea. Why would anyone waste hours/days trying to find a completely new disaster when there are many already available?

"It's terrible. Why waste the time for it?" How the fuck would you know that if you haven't tried it out yet!? It's not rocket science! You're not going to blow up the world, if everything isn't just right, nor can it be because it's art. But of course, as previously mentioned, there is always the thing about the money.