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#31 13 years ago
MerranvoLittle known fact. If you wait long enough, the security officer that the scientist is preforming CPR on does get up.[/quote] Merranvo; If you're playing HL:Source, killing the scientist performing CPR (I think you mean the scene shortly after the resonance cascade event) causes the 'Barney' to reset to default and stand up. You can even 'use' him like any other friendly NPC, tho' given that Gordon can't bring him very far (which is why I imagine in normal gameplay you don't get to a Barney (during 'Unforeseen Consequences") until he can be of some help (taking out the Zombies)) it doesn't make a huge difference. But that is pretty cool; I didn't think the Barney in that scene was anything but a static model, no more than an object.
MerranvoOF was about 1 man who was doing his job. He WANTED to kill freeman, he wasn't some nice guy who realised he was on the wrong side. [/quote] First off, I have to disagree with you there. Sheppard was the only (or only not incapacitated) surviving member of a military squad ordered to kill Gordon Freeman and any other witnesses. I don't think he wanted to, rather that he was following orders. And I also disagree with him not necessarily realizing he was on the wrong side- by the time I got through half of Opposing Force, I got the feeling that he more than suspected things weren't as simple as some 'egghead scientists screwing up' or words to that effect. Lastly- wasn't Gordon doing his job too?
MerranvoI do belive, that Shepard was NOT offered a job. The G-Man said that he shouldn't have gotten there... and should have died... or what not. [From Wiki] you will be detained "in a place where you can do no harm, and hopefully no harm can come to you." He explains this is done since Shepard reminds him of himslf, but is still a dangerous witness.
I stand corrected, then. I had understood that he was also offered a job and put into stasis, but obviously I was mistaken. Sorry about that. [quote=Merranvo]Just as a note, I don't belive gordan was ever placed in stasis. In fact, I belive the portal Gordan steped into lead directly to that train. If he was in stasis, why would the G-Man tell him he deserves a rest? And the G-Man does have control over time... it makes more sense to send your fighter into battle then to keep him safe for years at hand. It was breen who believed him to be in stasis, and he was wrong about a lot of things :p.
A good point. If he'd been in some sort of suspended animation his body (if not his mind) would have at least had time to recuperate if he'd been there for that many years. If he'd come straight from the time period at the end of HL1 through that portal ('I will see you just up ahead...') into HL2, he really wouldn't have had time for a rest. I didn't even think of it that way; I appreciate your input on this. One thing occurred to me- the G-Man in his final conversation with Gordon while hopping through Xen and the remnants of Black Mesa, mentioned that while '..the weapons were government property; as for the HEV suit...I think you've earned it.', wouldn't he have been wearing it when he came out of the other end of the portal? I presume this inconsistency- if you're right about the portal being through time and not stasis- was included because of course, somebody in a bright orange powered suit with the Rebellion's Lambda logo on the chestplate would stand out, I think. [quote=Merranvo]I talk too much.

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#32 13 years ago
MerranvoI based this off of the radio conversation. Freeman was killing the Grunts, and if you have any respect for your division, I would think you would want to get back at him.[/quote] Merranvo; Fair enough. They were of course in a situation where it was quite simply kill or be killed, and other than a few of the grunts being taken out by Vorts and other aliens, Gordon was solely responsible for killing the soldiers who were sent in (even though to not do so would mean his own death). And yeah, there's a real cameraderie, and in the best situation a great deal of trust, between members of such a combat team. In this case, they were quite literally putting their lives in each other's hands. I was probably mincing words ('ordered' versus 'wanted') and I'm sorry about that.
MerranvoAccording to breen? No. Question is, how does an MIT graduate become trained in the art of war? Learn how to use massive amounts of weaponry? Heck, he is a scientist running around killing aliens and grunts (and scientists ;) ) alike.
It's a question that I think has come up since the beginning days of HL1, once the euphoria of creating something so original and fun wore off a bit. Even with the help of his HEV powered suit, Gordon still had no real combat experience and- with the exception of the Target Range in practice mode- no weapons' use experience at all, when the crap hit the fan in 'Unforeseen Consequences'. That he managed to do what he did with no idea it was coming nor any real combat training is a miracle of immense luck in and of itself. You can see why the rebels in HL2 treat Gordon like some sort of pseudo-messiah. [quote=Merranvo]Possibly, but how did Barney get his Crowbar and HIS HEV suit? A small note: HL2 is vastly different then HL1. So many puzzels are gone. Areas which your suit is to drain are gone (radiation areas and cold storage). Traps, (my favorite, invisible enemys). Yet in all of this, HL2 became much more like a halo then an actual Half Life. You have a few jumping areas, 1 area which you get past the lasers. But what do you have after that? Heck, I think there is only 1 valve in the game (I may need to re check that). So I am moving forward too much, and not enough back tracking.

First, you're right. Barney might've gotten his hands on _a_ crowbar, but Gordon took _the_ Crowbar into Xen with him, and after he defeated the Nihalanth, the G-Man stripped him of all of his weapons, including his crowbar. Barney wasn't there when it happened, so he may have simply found one before he had to abandon Black Mesa and assumed it was just as likely that it was Gordon's than it wasn't. Second, the HEV suit Kleiner gave to Gordon isn't the same one from Black Mesa in HL1. It's based on the original HL1 design but it was rebuilt from pretty much the ground up by Dr. Kleiner. To be honest, I don't find the lack of puzzles to be a hindrance in the game. There are some- like the ramp you've got to jack up in 'Water Hazard' to get over the impossible barrier, or the other ramp you use the floating barrels to raise earlier in the chapter- of couse, but yes, there aren't anywhere near as many. IMHO, there doesn't need to be, though, as the game is thoroughly rich with detail and is just so much fun. :) -Worker.




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#33 13 years ago

hey not to change the subject (again) but how do you get cheats on hl1/oposing force/ blueshift on steam without having hl1 on a disk n stuff???

oh and also on the I KILLED GORDON IN BLUESHIFT subject i shot gordon with a rocket at the teleporter in opposing force and it killed him :) i missed, i was aimin for the guyz in the sky wit the balls of energy shootin at me.




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#34 13 years ago

Oh noes!! you dun created a time paradox!




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#35 13 years ago

such a long discussion about a insignificant event that didnt seem to affect half life's storyline...




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#36 13 years ago
krasinskihey not to change the subject (again) but how do you get cheats on hl1/oposing force/ blueshift on steam without having hl1 on a disk n stuff???[/quote] Krasinski; As far as I know, you just go into the console (I think you have to activate it in 'Options' via Steam; back when it was a regular CD-ROM installation before Steam's arrival, there was a command line modification to allow the console), and enter whichever console cheats you like. Opposing Force and Blue Shift should work the same way. The actual console cheat names are listed in many places on the Internet. Hope this helps! [quote=Gilly_54]such a long discussion about a insignificant event that didnt seem to affect half life's storyline...

Gilly_54; You're welcome to your opinion, Gilly, but I submit that this sort of discussion was the sort of thing Valve expected to begin (and did) after HL1 was released several years ago. I very much doubt, in comparison, that many people would've had any real discussion on Doom or Doom 2 besides 'I fragged his butt' and how they did it. Granted, doing that on a regular basis does require practice and skill, but most of the Doom series prior to Doom 3 had very little story content, while even the first-generation Half-Life/OF/BS had a rich storyline that I think encouraged this sort of discussion. I respect your opinion of this thread, but if you have nothing to add to it, I'd really appreciate it if you would direct your attention elsewhere instead of posting a one-liner comment on why you think it's pointless. I assure you, threads like this will continue to crop up, and if it's worth saying, I'd welcome your participation in such a discussion should you change your mind. :) -Worker.




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#37 13 years ago

Who is Shepard? Ive only played HL2 and had HL1 explained to me over the cource of an hour and a half, so I dont know everything. WHO IS SHEPARD?




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#38 13 years ago

sgepard is the guy you play in Opposing Force.




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#39 13 years ago

shepard is the guy you play in Opposing Force.




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#40 13 years ago

crap ive never play opposing force, is he like some guy from the military or something?