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#1 15 years ago

Hi guys, I have been planning on upgrading my video card for a sometime and wanting to play HL2 at a descent graphics level had made it a much easier discussion. What is your opinion on this card http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/VisionTek-Xtasy-9600-XT-Video-Card--VTK9600XT256-/sem/rpsm/oid/89933/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do I have been reading a lot of good stuff about the ATI 9600XT 128 and the performance in HL2. It seems like a good deal and a increase of ram to 256. I currently am running a crappy Geforce 5200 FX 128. I don't want to go has high as the 9800 pro for $250. My specs are P4 1.6 640 ram 80 GB HD XP home edtion. Thanks, Matt:confused:




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#2 15 years ago

Too expensive there. you need a 9800. for about 5 more dollars than the 9600Xt you can have a 9800 with 256mb of ram.




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#3 15 years ago

Hey Pethegreat, Thanks dude ! That looks like a good deal indeed. Circut City is selling the 9600 XT 128 for 199.00. Matt




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#4 15 years ago

I changed my mind on that card that you suggested. I picked up today a copy of hl2 and a Radeon 9800 pro 256 mb at the Micro Center. I ended up shelling out $229.00 for the card. I think I got a pretty good deal on it. Anyway, the game runs great on my mid level system. All the settings on high and 1024 res. I ended up just installing the most current Omega drivers from the get go. Now I have to go out tonight and grab a sound card. I still have a intergraded sound card now, what a joke!

Love the game it's awesome!

Matt




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#5 15 years ago

omega drivers? umm.... you're supposed to have catalyst.... www.ati.com




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#6 15 years ago
Holdenomega drivers? umm.... you're supposed to have catalyst.... www.ati.com

Omega is a third party driver that many people say have better performance than ATI's catalyst drivers. It usually contains upgrades from ATI's beta drivers. However, I think I am just going to stick the the catalyst drivers for now... Hope you enjoy HL2 and your new card!!!




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#7 15 years ago

I won't bother waxing philosophical about what all needs upgraded on your machine, but as far as video cards heres what I think is a trend. if you're going to buy mid-grade buy ATI for sure. The unlock mods and overclockability matches up with some of NVidia's best. *However* Due to recent changes, if you went for the most extreme fastest possible vid card it'd be a 6800 Ultra Extreme, but I'd also consider an X800 XT. You're probably sitting there saying, wth, pick one. Well it depends on whats important to you. the 6800 Ultra gets better "performance" but I've discussed how important the difference between 300 and 400 FPS is in another thread, aka useless unless you're obsessed with 3D Mark scores.

But if you want practicality, I'd have to say X800 XT even though it performs slightly worse in "most" cases. The reasoning is that NVidia has notoriously used methods of "cheating" in how they render the textures, so that they render faster, but at a lesser quality. The human eye for most part can't tell the diff, but I've heard rumors that ATI is doing the same. If you're looking into overclocking, I'd say ATI X800 XT, if you have the right cooling setup, it beats the 6800. I s'pose that basically says get ATI, but here are the exceptions: If you want insane scores, if you are running Linux (Slackware 10 on my other machine here), or if you really like the Unreal Engine...lol.

I'll assume you aren't of entirely rich means, and I'd recommend either an ATI Radeon 9800 Pro/XT. They're about 200 bucks these days and they can run just about anything. They have nice overclockability from what I've heard as well. That's assuming your mobo can support it. If you want a more permanent solution, I'd say buy a new mobo, CPU, and vid card. ASUS/AMD/ATI if you want a relatively cheap but nice machine.

Hope I helped.

EDIT: Just saw the comment on Omega Drivers. They are 3rd party beta/hacked drivers, which I proudly use for my ATI Radeon 9500. They brought my 9500 to speeds well above the 9700Pro at stock. However, these drivers are also perfectly capable of frying your vidcard and the surrounding hardware if you don't know what you're doing. 30FPS is better than having 60FPS for about a week. You be the judge if you have the capability and patience of using them.

Beyond unlocking the vidcard to its higher model equivalent and overclocking, Omega drivers do some incredible work with optimizations that vastly improve performance when combined with the right environment. My FPS literally doubled in the ATI tool Fuzzy Cube test, and I'm not entirely certain about UT2004, but I'd guess it multiplied by 2.5x. Sound Possible? You'd have to see the expression on my face :D If 1337 Then Omega=True, Else Catalyst.




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#8 15 years ago

Hi,

I don't think I am going to bother trying to overclock my 9800 pro for now for the reasons you stated about frying your card. It seems to be running really well with the omega drivers.

Matt




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#9 15 years ago

Well, if you follow guidelines you find from other users in other forums. You overclock small notches at a time, have proper case cooling, you can do it safely. But the safer bonuses of just unlocking and tweaking the card from Omega drivers alone are usually fine for most people.

Sadly, I only have a 9500, so oc'ing is pretty much a prerequisite...lol.




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#10 15 years ago
josefmdI changed my mind on that card that you suggested. I picked up today a copy of hl2 and a Radeon 9800 pro 256 mb at the Micro Center. I ended up shelling out $229.00 for the card. I think I got a pretty good deal on it. Anyway, the game runs great on my mid level system. All the settings on high and 1024 res. I ended up just installing the most current Omega drivers from the get go. Now I have to go out tonight and grab a sound card. I still have a intergraded sound card now, what a joke! Love the game it's awesome! Matt

Wow, you got your 9800 pro 256 mb for 229$ ! That makes it 290 $ CAN In Canada,in shops, they sell the 9800 pro 256mb for like 360-400$ CAN That makes it 280$ US That's a great deal. I was wondering, i'm also about to upgrade my video card cause I'm also stuck with a crappy GeForce 5200. I'm hesitating between the - ATI 9600XT 256mb at about 230$ CAN - ATI 9800 pro 128 mb at 330 $ CAN - ATI X700 pro 256mb at 300$ CAN - Nvidia GeForce FX 5900XT 128mb at 250 to 300$ CAN(depends on the shop) Which of this video card fits the best for HL 2, I know the X700 and 9600XT are HL2 recommended card. I have a budjet from 200 to 300 $ CAN P.S. I won't buy my stuff on the Internet.