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#111 14 years ago

You know, I have no idea what you people are getting so worked up about. If people don't want "laming" then so what? Don't play there. Can't find a good server that allows it? Then don't "lame". Question: What satisfaction could you possibly derive from killing an unarmed person when they obviously have no wish to fight you? What, you can't find any armed oponents that you're good enough to kill or something? It's just idiotic. Do you either just enjoy murding things at random or do you just like to look at your score and feel proud of the 12 unarmed people you just killed? It makes no sense. I've been on the "OMG U POKED ME I R ADMIN HOW DARE U POKE ME - TEH L33t ADMIN GoD?!?!?! INFIDEL!!!111 *ban*" servers, I can't say I like that either. But sometimes I just want to sit back and watch a duel without some moron trying vainly to chop me in half or force grip me into a lava pit. I have never seen a server, or atleast a major one, where people roleplay all the time. I have seen servers CALLED things like "RPG world" and "*Insert random name*'s RPG server" but no one *really* roleplays in them. I've been banned quitte a few times from servers just for having the name "Darth Lamer", which is my main tag. I often get comments such as "WAIT UNTILL TEH ADMIN COMS ON THEN U R BANNED" as I enter the server... "I R NO U LAME BECUASE U NAME SAYS IT Y WOULD Y WULD U NAME SAY IF U NO LAME????" Such and such.. Really, I'm very tired of it. I think that if we just got rid of the community elitists on both sides then everyone would be happy. But what good is it to get rid of more players? People don't realise that this is a dying game, and when they act so freely with their admin privlegdes they encourage more and more people to leave the game. I guess that will get them, when only they and 4 other loyalists are the only ones who come on their once thriving FFA, RPG, LugorMod server. And just for the record, I am so tired of morons saying "IT R FFA IT MEANS EVERYONE KILLS EVERYONE ELSE NON-STOP 24/7 DUDE" No, FFA (Free For All) means that anything goes. Not that everyone has to kill eachother senselessly. In all, no, your little community of babbling idiots screaming about how they "R TEH OWNZORS" isn't being damaged by the seemingly intelligent play of the game, it may not be built up from it either, but atleast that's 50-100 people not leaving the game forever.




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#112 14 years ago

A daring first step into the Gaming Forums community. I would never have been so bold... ;) Of course, I couldn't have said it any better myself... without being called an elitest snob, anyway.




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#113 14 years ago

:rolleyes:

It sure would be nice if people read some of the other threads in this forum before posting and bringing up the same tired arguments over and over and over again. :rolleyes:

Sorry for all the quotes, but when people keep bringing up the same lame arguments over and over and over again, it's just easier to Copy and Paste.

NakitaYou know, I have no idea what you people are getting so worked up about. If people don't want "laming" then so what? Don't play there. Can't find a good server that allows it? Then don't "lame". [/QUOTE] Saying "don't go there" only makes sense if people have other choices. But virtually all so-called "Free For All" servers are the same: no guns, no Force powers, no "laming". Because the bad attitude and abuse on those servers has driven so many players (especially competitive players) out of this game (causing it to be a dying game, as you noted) there are virtually no true "Free For All" servers and there are no longer players to play on any that are left. So telling them "don't go there" is worthless advice because there is nowhere else to go.

Nakita Question: What satisfaction could you possibly derive from killing an unarmed person when they obviously have no wish to fight you? What, you can't find any armed oponents that you're good enough to kill or something? It's just idiotic. Do you either just enjoy murding things at random or do you just like to look at your score and feel proud of the 12 unarmed people you just killed? [/QUOTE]

*sigh* we've been over this already:

"Amidala"

"Xa4" Infact the only things I call laming are these: - Kill someone who is chatting, I don't know why you even want to kill someone who is chatting I mean it's not like you can say... OMG p0wned!!!111... or do you? It requires no skill at all. Infact, if you kill someone who is prepared for it, and you defeat him then you can say OMG p0wned!!!! Although I don't advise it since it makes you look like a moron. Also doesn't it make you feel more proud that you killed someone with skill, I can see no way of fun in killing someone who is chatting. This does not apply when your dueling someone and all of the sudden he goes to chat to ask you about your HP or whatever, if you kill him then it's his own fault.[/quote]

I don't go out of my way to kill someone who is dumb enough to stop fighting and start typing during a FREE FOR ALL game (yes, that is what "FFA" stands for) but I don't think it's wrong if someone else "kills" them, and I never, ever, ever care or complain if someone else "kills" me if I am dumb enough to stop fighting and start typing during a FREE FOR ALL game . I just keep typing while I am "dead", then I respawn. It costs me nothing.

Just as you said, if you have dumb "no chatkill" rules in FFA, people start abusing it by putting up their chat icon to avoid losing. Then the whining and complaining start. Then you need "police" (admins) around to settle the matter. Then you have "admins" around who can abuse their power. Then admins start abusing and humiliating players. Then the game dies. It's just not worth it.[/quote]

"Amidala"

"Xa4" - Saber down killing, basicly the same as chat killing, and again if someone in a duel all of the sudden does his saber down... well that's his problem.

Infact those are the only "laming" rules of honor, things as bowing. Well it just shows "respect" to your opponent, you shouldn't be forced to bow but DON'T attack someone that bows towards you that is just the same as saber down killing.[/quote] Again, standing around unnarmed on a "FFA" server is dumb. People shouldn't whine or cry when the inevitable happens. But they do anyway. And it's abused to avoid losing just as chatting is, and it brings the same problems (admins and abuse).[/quote]

[QUOTE=Nakita]But sometimes I just want to sit back and watch a duel without some moron trying vainly to chop me in half or force grip me into a lava pit.

Then go to Spectator, that's what's there for. If you just want to watch you clearly aren't interested in getting the top score, so who cares if you lose your points.

Again, the only reason this is a "problem" is because people are perverting and misusing the FFA (Deathmatch) gametype to duel.

[quote="Amidala"]Don't you see that all these "laming problems" occur because people pervert and misuse the Free For All gametype to duel instead of really playing Free For All? The game designers meant for a maximum of only TWO people to be dueling on a FFA server, the rest should be "FFAing". It's only with mods like JA+ are people able to pervert and misuse the FFA gametype for mass dueling.

[QUOTE=Nakita]I've been banned quitte a few times from servers just for having the name "Darth Lamer", which is my main tag. I often get comments such as "WAIT UNTILL TEH ADMIN COMS ON THEN U R BANNED" as I enter the server... "I R NO U LAME BECUASE U NAME SAYS IT Y WOULD Y WULD U NAME SAY IF U NO LAME????" Such and such.. Really, I'm very tired of it.

This is a predictable consequence of the mass-insanity known as "no laming". You reap what you sow.

[QUOTE=Nakita]People don't realise that this is a dying game, and when they act so freely with their admin privlegdes they encourage more and more people to leave the game. I guess that will get them, when only they and 4 other loyalists are the only ones who come on their once thriving FFA, RPG, LugorMod server.

I totally agree with you.

[QUOTE=Nakita] And just for the record, I am so tired of morons saying "IT R FFA IT MEANS EVERYONE KILLS EVERYONE ELSE NON-STOP 24/7 DUDE" No, FFA (Free For All) means that anything goes. Not that everyone has to kill eachother senselessly.

Actually, the "morons" are correct. And define "senselessly". You even said "(FFA) Free for All means that anything goes". I agree with you. "Anything goes" means that anything goes, including attacking any other player, chatting or not, saber on or off, it doesn't matter. Anything goes, as you said.

[quote="Amidala"]Get out your official Jedi Knight Jedi Academy manual (it came with the game. You did buy the game, right?). Please tell me what page the game designers put the "no laming" rules on. Hmmm, what's that you say? You can't find any mention of "laming" in the official game manual? Hmmm, isn't that odd.

However, page 36 of the official Jedi Knight Jedi Academy manual says this:

FREE FOR ALL Best summed up as every person for him or herself, players score points by eliminating other players, and no one can be considered an ally. Weapons and equipment are acquired in the field, unless specified on the server. Some options include whether to allow Force powers or not and the maximum Force level available.

No mention of "no laming" there.

Also no mention of only "killing" other players in a "sensible" fashion.




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#114 14 years ago

"Beauty is in the eye of the beholder" (I tried :D) Me, personally, am a fan of ALL gametypes, ffa, ctf, rp, with force, w/o force, with guns, w/o guns. I may prefer one gametype over the other, but I can go on almost any server (with players) and have a good time. I think that having a game with so much variety, will help prolong the use of a game, and only improve upon your gaming experience. I can assure you that if it weren't for new mods and/or new ways of playing the game, I would not still be playing it today.




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#115 14 years ago
QuigsI think that having a game with so much variety, will help prolong the use of a game, and only improve upon your gaming experience.

That's right, and that's the problem with Jedi Academy: there is so little variety. Almost all "FFA" servers are really mass dueling, no guns, no Force, "no laming" JA+ servers. The rest are Lugormod or ForceMod III RPG servers. Where is the variety?

There are only 66 Duel servers, and on a Friday night only 17 are being used, 49 of them are totally empty. There are only two Power Duel servers.

Tonight there are only 13 Siege servers with any humans on them.

There are only 25 TFFA servers, and on a Friday night all but 5 of them are totally empty.

There are only 20 CTF servers, and all but 4 of them are empty or have only bots.

Where is the variety? Because so many players have left due to boredom playing the game with 80% of it disabled, "honor codes" and "rules" that punish people for playing the game by the real rules, and abusive admins who humiliate, kick, and ban players on a whim, there isn't much left.

Meanwhile, another Quake III engine game, Call of Duty, which came out only a couple of months after Jedi Academy, has 4,182 servers with 3,539 players tonight.

Even the oldest Quake III engine game, Quake III, has 2,755 servers with 2,630 players tonight.

Compare that to Jedi Academy, based on the same engine, and with the magic of the Star Wars universe, lightsabers, and Force powers going for it, with a pitiful 476 servers, most of which are empty, and less than 1,000 players on a Friday night.

No wonder LucasArts has "no plans for another Jedi Knight game" at this time. A "community" that punishes and humiliates players, tells players to "go play Quake or UT2004", disables 80% of the game's features, calls people who use weapons other than their favorite one "gun noobs" (imagine calling someone that on a Call of Duty or Quake III server), and uses game servers mostly to chat and play act doesn't deserve the time, money, and effort that a company and programmers put into designing, programming, and marketing a new game.




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#116 14 years ago
QuigsI can assure you that if it weren't for new mods and/or new ways of playing the game, I would not still be playing it today.

This game is not good because of that reason, people still play this game because of mods, I still play this game because I can mod it, I dont enjoy the fact that this game would really suck if it werent for mods. If we ever get to see a JK4 I hope they take their time to make great original content, so they dont have to depend on the modding community. But yea, useless rant that was...




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#117 14 years ago
Amidalacalls people who use weapons other than their favorite one "gun noobs"

It's the unfortunate nature of the game. People get so wrapped up in "ooh sabers" that they forget it's really a FPS. DF2 was like that, although not to such an extreme - guns were much more accepted there, but there was still a heavy division between sabers and guns. It's kind of a shame. As you said, the diversity is low. I'd honestly blame the sabers; it's not their fault, but the community can't seem to handle having a sword in a FPS while giving guns the equal attention they deserve. Does Quake III or CoD even have melee weapons? If not, that's probably the main difference in the number of servers and activity of the community. The Jedi Knight series is an "oddball" series, and you can acredit that solely to the lightsaber. Maybe the Force a little too, if you want. Then again, you could just acredit it to the whiners who can't seem to handle this diversity we all seek.




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#118 14 years ago
NakitaYou know, I have no idea what you people are getting so worked up about. If people don't want "laming" then so what? Don't play there. Can't find a good server that allows it? Then don't "lame".

Oh wow, haven't used your eyes properly now, have you? Reread the entire thread before posting comments that have been posted OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

Question: What satisfaction could you possibly derive from killing an unarmed person when they obviously have no wish to fight you? What, you can't find any armed oponents that you're good enough to kill or something?

I don't go out of my way to kill people who are chatting/AFK. When I see someone, I just kill, chat or no. If you guys wanna chat, so be it. Just don't be in the way when people are FFAing, and whine about it when you get killed.

It's just idiotic. Do you either just enjoy murding things at random or do you just like to look at your score and feel proud of the 12 unarmed people you just killed?

Isn't 'murding things at random' the way of an FPS game? :rolleyes: Also, 12 unarmed people are still legit frags, they're just idiots for chatting in an FPS game where you're supposed to KILL each other. Last I checked, HARDLY anyone whined when you chatkill them in other FPS games, like CS.

It makes no sense. I've been on the "OMG U POKED ME I R ADMIN HOW DARE U POKE ME - TEH L33t ADMIN GoD?!?!?! INFIDEL!!!111 *ban*" servers, I can't say I like that either. But sometimes I just want to sit back and watch a duel without some moron trying vainly to chop me in half or force grip me into a lava pit.

Then let me introduce you to the gametype that has been around for ages: Duel mode.

I've been banned quitte a few times from servers just for having the name "Darth Lamer", which is my main tag. I often get comments such as "WAIT UNTILL TEH ADMIN COMS ON THEN U R BANNED" as I enter the server... "I R NO U LAME BECUASE U NAME SAYS IT Y WOULD Y WULD U NAME SAY IF U NO LAME????" Such and such.. Really, I'm very tired of it.

From your post, I can see you don't like lamers, so why put the 'Darth Lamer' nick? You're a strange one. :eek:

And just for the record, I am so tired of morons saying "IT R FFA IT MEANS EVERYONE KILLS EVERYONE ELSE NON-STOP 24/7 DUDE" No, FFA (Free For All) means that anything goes. Not that everyone has to kill eachother senselessly.

Uhh yes it does, that's the point of an FPS game: killling each other.




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#119 14 years ago

Buffy Don't listton (spelling is so porely) to him. I have been in the VAS clan before *VTN*NightWing its a great server. Just keep on doing what u do best. Hope to see u soon. Just because of guys like that guy i can't play online anymore. W.W.J.D