*sigh* Why does it seem like there is constant civil war in JKA? -1 reply

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Mikouen Advanced Member

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#31 13 years ago

tarbaby,

May I advise that before you try to take a potshot at someone in a vain attempt to gain some kind of "street cred", that you get your facts straight?

I'm not making any complaints, whines, or flames against anything. Merely setting straight some misconceptions.

"OMG it only adds a few new moves!" is completely untrue. "Hey, it makes gameplay more like JK2!" is definitely untrue, as anyone who has ever played JK2MP will know. "JA+ adds so much stuff which should have been in the base game!" is also wrong, as more than two thirds of the commands in JA+'s server.cfg file are baseJKA commands. "It removed those stupid admin abuse commands /amslay and /ampunish!" is clearly untrue, as those commands would never have existed if they had not been implemented in an earlier version of JA+.

These are what we call 'misconceptions'. My post is what you'd call 'setting the record straight'.

I'd have no reason to be setting the record straight regarding JA+, if it's widespread usage wasn't built up on dishonesty and - in more cases than you'd care to think - utter bullshit. However, sadly it is.

I don't really give a damn whether people use it or not, but I think they should at least get their facts straight before they go branding anything that's not JA+ as complete crap and declaring that JA+ is the thing that saved this community. Maybe they'll just see how hypocritical they're being, who knows? Still, they at least need to learn that people who think differently are not morons. It's not what you think, it's why you think it.

Striking out when someone states an honest fact that would count against JA+ in a negative way is old. JA+ supporters have been pulling that little slice of hypocrisy for years. It's all well and good saying "Dude, so you don't like JA+, we get it. Back off already!", but the majority of JA+ supporters are steadfastly refusing to accept any opinion other than "JA+ is more perfect and flawless than God himself", even though such an opinion would be built almost entirely on misconceptions and lies.

Remember, there's a big difference between trying to destroy someone/something's reputation just for the sake of it, and ensuring that the all of the facts are known.

I'm going to ignore the rest of your post, since none of it has any real relevance given the fact that you failed to correctly interpret the situation.

A constant civil war only seems to be in effect in JKA, because people are over-dramatizing everything and trying to proclaim themselves gods.

There wouldn't be a civil war in JKA, if everyone would grow up, stop feeding their superiority complexes, realise that they are not superior to anyone else, and quit acting like the entire world should operate exactly as they dictate otherwise all existence will be nullified.

IrishDragonYay for freedom of choice!

What choice? That's the problem. There is no choice any more. That choice has been taken away from people, and it certainly wasn't taken away via natural selection.

But wait.... how does JA+ work any better for a structured clan than any other mod? ClanMod is definitely more clan-friendly than baseJKA, yeah, but JA+ and JAE are almost entirely on the same level as baseJKA for clan support.


I don't know how, and I don't know why, but this is totally Sheep's fault.



tarbaby

I post to get attention

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#32 13 years ago

i think i hurt kouen's feelings....and i actually feel kinda :( about it. seriously. i knew kouen wouldn't read my post, because it was very rude and disrespectful. i was trying to make the point to him that kouen's wealth of gaming and computer knowledge is often lost in the rudeness and lack of respect displayed in some (o.k., a lot) of his posts. that was wrong. i shouldn't sink to that level, because i'm old enough to know that the pot never realizes it's calling the kettle black (American expression), and that it's often useless in trying to point it out. furthermore, i have not read all of kouen's posts, so i shouldn't assume that they all come across as being...well....a little pissy. finally:

There wouldn't be a civil war in JKA, if everyone would grow up, stop feeding their superiority complexes, realise that they are not superior to anyone else, and quit acting like the entire world should operate exactly as they dictate otherwise all existence will be nullified.

... ...is how i interpret many of kouen's posts. it's unfair of me to make that characterization without first getting kouen's side of things. i know i'm on ignore kouen, but....my bad. TB PS--do i get any cred for this?




Unifermius Matty

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#33 13 years ago

tarbaby;3742391PS--do i get any cred for this?[/quote]

Sorry, but no.

[quote=Kouen;3742020] I don't really give a damn whether people use it or not, but I think they should at least get their facts straight before they go branding anything that's not JA+ as complete crap and declaring that JA+ is the thing that saved this community. Maybe they'll just see how hypocritical they're being, who knows? Still, they at least need to learn that people who think differently are not morons. It's not what you think, it's why you think it.

I don't see why these people think JA+ saved the community, because nothing I have seen thus far has actually done that. Not to mention that JA+ had a much better community before 2.3 or possibly 2.1 for that matter, and it just went downhill when 2.3 came around.

The only JA+ server I enjoyed playing on was the original JASA - and the only reason for that was the lame pit. Not taking that into account though, JASA would have been an average server. Since it went down, I don't recall ever visiting another JA+ for the purpose of gameplay. The people that always played there seemed to treat the server like a duel arena and a chatroom (not that the latter was any different to the lugormod servers I played on at the time).

Sigh, JA+ didn't really improve gameplay in my point of view. It just added a bunch of shiny new features (that weren't all important), messed up the saber combat more than it already was, a grapple (that was near-pointless), a jetpack on-off (that was just plain annoying), and all those 'am' codes half of which were actually useful. That, and in later version added 'character scaling' for certain models, and those 'hilt belts' and those saber hilts hatrus made, which were the ugliest things I ever saw coming from him. That, and Lugormod just seemed more accessible, despite similar themes in community behaviour.




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#34 13 years ago
tarbaby;3742391(American expression)

Wha...? I use it all the time, mate.

And I would not be worried about hurting his feelings. Kouen is stronger than DataLord, and I could not hurt DataLord's feeling once. Kouen will stand through anything, trust me.




The_Twig

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#35 13 years ago

Heh curious, what ever happened with DataLord anyway?

To remain on topic, I just about agree with what Matty says. JA+ offers nothing to me and doesn't improve on anything as far as my playing habit goes.




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#36 13 years ago

DataLord (Now know as Zach) retired from the FileFront network. It was sad, but I got over it. :p

I have not seen him recently, though.




Inyri Forge Advanced Member

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#37 13 years ago

If you want to see him, buy WoW.




Anson992

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#38 13 years ago

Well, I'm not sure how "on-the-rails" this topic actually is now, but I will now voice my opinion.

So, basically, I'm going to make this as brief as I possibly can..... Anyway, the thing is, the fight over mods is a tired fight that really doesn't need to be fought. Thats like having a civil war over who likes Pepsi and who likes Coke. But it is still different. The thing is Hardcore JK+ players will be on JK+'s nuts more than hot pants. You can't sway them, so don't try, you'll just start a meaningless fight on which version of the game is better. Its ignorant to say the least, but its outright idiotic if you wanna go deeper into it.

I hate people who bash mods. It really is idiotic. All your successfully doing is making people mad at you. Anyway, back on topic....

The way I see it, JA+ is an okay mod if your into it. Sure, I play it occasionally just to see what I can exploit, or to have a good RP that is actually playing an role of someone important in your own eyes, sorta like making a movie with no camera. Those "professional" RP servers are a bore, because everyone gets sleeped just because someone didn't pick a role they made. Also, nothing really happens in those but chatting.... which is what IM was made for.

When I feel like playing a goof FFA or CTF I usually go to baseJKA is because it feels better for me. I'm actually quite good at it! I own until I'm maybe 15 kills ahead of everyone, then I sit aruond and wait for the spread to decrease, until I actually feel like my 1st place spot is in trouble. I digress....

I've tried a bit of every mod out there... and I could actually have all of them installed at the same time if I wanted. They all are for different taste of players.

Another thing, a simple comparison is ok, just make sure "IMO" is added, or else it would seem like your favoring the other type, which you are, but you don't want to come across as rude unless your into being a total "insert swear here".

Stop the Civil Wars, it tears down an already retardedly insane community of fanboys who won't try something else. Let them do them, don't try to change what they play. Don't be a hypocrite, and don't bash something just because you don't like it. If you don't like JK+ players then why the hell do you play it? Let alone have it installed. If JA+ players come into your baseJKA game then own them since they play on a different fighting system, own them like they would own you in a JA+ game, the same reason you avoid that game.

(Off topic) SO much for being brief.