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#1 10 years ago

I have a feeling I should know this, but then it seems to have confused a lot of other people as well. Can anyone help? :Puppyeyes:

What exactly would a Jedi be called? For example, Atton Rand. Would he be Padawan Rand, Padawan Atton, or would they just call him Atton? I'd like to know the same for a Jedi. Would they use the noun 'Jedi' as a replacement for 'mister' or 'sir', or do they not bother? And how would a Jedi refer to a Master?

Also, how would that change depending on who he was talking to -what would Vrook call him as opposed to the title a youngling would use?

If anyone can help me with these deep and weighty matters before I fall to the Dark Side and start cackling insanely in the corner of my crypt, I'd appreciate it.




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#2 10 years ago

For Padawans, you either call them by their name, or simply "padawan" For the higher ranking masters, you usually say "Master (whatever)"




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#3 10 years ago

Thanks for that, it's very helpful. Do you know what do they call Jedi? Jedi Kenobi? Just plain Obi-Wan? Jedi Obi-Wan? And does that change depending on who's speaking?




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#4 10 years ago

The protocol during the time of the Old Republic for Jedi was that a Padawan was simply referred by their birth name or by Padawan. A Jedi Knight was referred to by their birth name. Upon a Jedi Knight ascending to the rank of master, either by promotion from the Jedi Council for time served or mastery of a certain field of endeavor or by fighting (there are too many possibilities within the category of fighting to name, like fighting a transport full of Dark Jedi) or by taking on an apprenctice, then the title of master is granted. However, I should point out that a Jedi Knight is NOT necessarily granted the full rank of Jedi Master upon taking a Padawan. It is an honorary title given to Knights that undertake the training of a Padwan. Upon successful completion of a Padawan passing the Trials and attaining their knighthood, the Jedi Knight that acted as the Padawan's master is then promoted to the full rank of Jedi Master. Take for instance Obi-Wan Kenobi at the end of EP I: The Phantom Menace. Kenobi kills Darth Maul and Yoda relays to Kenobi that the Council has conferred upon him the rank of Jedi Knight (one example of how you can attain Knighthood without facing the Trials, though it is rare). He then informs Yoda that he will keep his promise to Qui-Gon Jinn and take Anakin Skywalker as his Padawan learner. This makes Kenobi Anakin's master, but NOT a Jedi Master. See the difference? Younglings, Padawans and Jedi Knights all address Jedi Masters as "Master". Younglings and Padawans will only address a Jedi Knight as master, if that Jedi Knight has taken an apprentice. When addressing a Jedi Master or a Jedi Knight training a padawan, you would follow their title with either their first name or last name, depending on their social customs or if they only have one name, as in the cases of Yaddle and Yoda, address them by their name. i.e.: Mace Windu is to be adressed as Master Windu, Yoda as Master Yoda, Obi-Wan as Master Kenobi and so on. I hope this helps and welcome to the forum.




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#5 10 years ago

Oh this is brilliant, thank you very much! I've copied pasted this into my Word document as a reminder -it should prove invaluable. Thank you!




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#6 10 years ago

A couple of things to add: the "honorary title" that Dracon talked about is usually "Master Jedi", instead of "Jedi Master". Even padawans get called this, usually by outsiders (remember that dumb scene from EpII? :p). Some knights and masters thought that the title should extend to all Jedi, because they are supposedly equals, while outsiders usually can't tell the difference.

And as for the name thing...it depends on the person. We know that "Vrook" was Master Vrook (Lamar)'s first name--though we don't know if it was his given name (his people might have done it backwards). Ditto Master Vandar (Tokare). "Zhar" was Master Zhar (Lestin)'s given name (as a Twi'lek, his name would be Zhar'lestin). Master Zez-Kai Ell is referred to by both names. Master Vash's first name was Lonna, so she probably goes by her surname. Kavar, Dorak, and Atris we don't know enough about. Oh, and don't forget "Master Qui-Gon...more to say, have you?" ;) Oh, and there's also Master Arca (Jeth), who goes by his first name. And Master Vodo-Siosk Baas usually went by all three, though Zez-Kai Ell refers to him as "Master Baas" at one point.




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#7 10 years ago
JCarter426;4354512A couple of things to add: the "honorary title" that Dracon talked about is usually "Master Jedi", instead of "Jedi Master". Even padawans get called this, usually by outsiders (remember that dumb scene from EpII? :p). Some knights and masters thought that the title should extend to all Jedi, because they are supposedly equals, while outsiders usually can't tell the difference. And as for the name thing...it depends on the person. We know that "Vrook" was Master Vrook (Lamar)'s first name--though we don't know if it was his given name (his people might have done it backwards). Ditto Master Vandar (Tokare). "Zhar" was Master Zhar (Lestin)'s given name (as a Twi'lek, his name would be Zhar'lestin). Master Zez-Kai Ell is referred to by both names. Master Vash's first name was Lonna, so she probably goes by her surname. Kavar, Dorak, and Atris we don't know enough about. Oh, and don't forget "Master Qui-Gon...more to say, have you?" ;) Oh, and there's also Master Arca (Jeth), who goes by his first name. And Master Vodo-Siosk Baas usually went by all three, though Zez-Kai Ell refers to him as "Master Baas" at one point.

Thanks, JCarter for expounding. I left out the 'Master Jedi' reference because of that idiot scene in EP II. It doesn't count if it's an outsider that does not understand the heirarchy of the Jedi Order, so I choose to omit it as irrelevant. As for the second part, it's like I said: it depends on one's social customs. As Jedi come from virtually every planet in the Republic they would bring their planet's social customs with them, even as an infant for the Jedi, by the time of the games, would have known those social customs before going to the planet. I am sure it is well documented in the Archives. References like Zez-Kai El's about Master Baas was probably the choice of the game programer and not canon as most written references list Vodo-Siosk Baas' full name every time.




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#8 10 years ago

Yeah, I know it was a dumb scene. However, it's repeated in KotOR, if I recall correctly (one of the PC's dialogue options at some point). And I'm sure it's used elsewhere.

And you're right, it depends on a person's customs. I wasn't correcting you or anything; I was just rambling as all. :p (Had a discussion about the very same thing somewhere else quite recently, actually; we came up with a whole bunch of Jedi who go by the first, last, both, or only name, so it definitely varies.)




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JCarter426;4354919Yeah, I know it was a dumb scene. However, it's repeated in KotOR, if I recall correctly (one of the PC's dialogue options at some point). And I'm sure it's used elsewhere. And you're right, it depends on a person's customs. I wasn't correcting you or anything; I was just rambling as all. :p (Had a discussion about the very same thing somewhere else quite recently, actually; we came up with a whole bunch of Jedi who go by the first, last, both, or only name, so it definitely varies.)

Thanks, JCarter. And I didn't mean to sound as if I was insulted or anything, I was simply adding to what you so accurately gave as examples said for the sake of the new person that had asked for our collective wisdom in this matter. :nodding: So thanks to you, as well, my Sith-Brother-In-Arms.:cya:




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#10 10 years ago

Oh, don't worry, you didn't come off like that. Anyway, where were we? :lookaround:




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