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Spike1942

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#1 10 years ago

I've just read the two Tales of the Old Republic comic books, and I've decided to start a KOTOR game with a character that falls 'by accident' to the Dark Side. Like Ulic Qel-Droma.

Most of the KOTOR Light and Dark side points-gaining opportunities are set up expecting your character to be either a paragon of good like Obi-Wan Kenobi, or a complete and utter evil bastard like Darth Maul.

But this time I'm going to role-play a character that starts out with good intentions, but lets her anger get the better of her occassionally and only slowly turns to the Dark Side. A bit like Anakin Skywalker.

That means being good at the start, but being focused on the main mission and not being sidetracked into doing too many good deeds for 'unimportant' NPCs. Thus avoiding gaining Light Side Points.

It also means not acting very cruel or evil at the beginning, and robbing or murdering people without good reason. But just making 'mistakes' and 'lapses' that end up in gaining Dark Side Points. Examples - beating up the three drunks on Taris Upper Level. Telling the Sith Governor that you'll 'enjoy gutting him'. Killing Bendak Starkiller. Things that could be regarded as 'good' by some people, but are actually wrong.

I'm planning to become slowly more and more evil, but actually only flip completely when meeting 'Dark Side Bastila' near the end of the game.

Has anyone else played a character like this, and what was it like?




Lord_AragornGR

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#2 10 years ago

Nope. Never. If it wasn't for YouTube, I wouldn't even know the DarkSide ending!!!! Sorry




coolyboy77

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#3 10 years ago

If it wasn't for YouTube, I wouldn't even know the LightSide ending.:mad: the darkside rules everything:bows: whe darksiders will crush you all:smokin:




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#4 10 years ago
Spike1942;4366736I've just read the two Tales of the Old Republic comic books, and I've decided to start a KOTOR game with a character that falls 'by accident' to the Dark Side. Like Ulic Qel-Droma. Most of the KOTOR Light and Dark side points-gaining opportunities are set up expecting your character to be either a paragon of good like Obi-Wan Kenobi, or a complete and utter evil bastard like Darth Maul. But this time I'm going to role-play a character that starts out with good intentions, but lets her anger get the better of her occassionally and only slowly turns to the Dark Side. A bit like Anakin Skywalker. That means being good at the start, but being focused on the main mission and not being sidetracked into doing too many good deeds for 'unimportant' NPCs. Thus avoiding gaining Light Side Points. It also means not acting very cruel or evil at the beginning, and robbing or murdering people without good reason. But just making 'mistakes' and 'lapses' that end up in gaining Dark Side Points. Examples - beating up the three drunks on Taris Upper Level. Telling the Sith Governor that you'll 'enjoy gutting him'. Killing Bendak Starkiller. Things that could be regarded as 'good' by some people, but are actually wrong. I'm planning to become slowly more and more evil, but actually only flip completely when meeting 'Dark Side Bastila' near the end of the game. Has anyone else played a character like this, and what was it like?

:Puzzled: WTF? How does one fall to the dark side of the Force by accident? It's not like you put your infant child on the roof of the car packing away luggage and such and then driving off down the straight then realizing that the kid is still on the roof of the car..... One does not fall by accident. The Force is not an accident. You must choose the light or the dark (or grey-jedi status, if you gotta get technical). All sentient beings are taught, if not born knowing right from wrong. Unless you are the dumbest dumb fuck in the universe (Jar-Jar binks) then your game idea would not work, me thinks. But who am I to nay-say? LOL:lol: Give it whirl and let us know what happens....




Lord_AragornGR

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#5 10 years ago

WHy it makes sense.... WE are not force-users. WE control a force-user, knowing not the true feeling of force... You cannot know something if you do not feel it. Much like, Handmaiden's To see in your heart I must first see in your punch!!!




A'ja'la

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#6 10 years ago
Darth Dracon;4366934How does one fall to the dark side of the Force by accident?

Honestly, most the people in Star Wars do fall by 'accident'. They didn't intend to go DS, but it happens. Whether do to anger, passion, etc. I mean it would be pretty corny to have someone just decide one day "You know what, I tired of this Jedi crap. Let's give the Sith a whirl and see how that goes." Look at Atris, she slowly fell to the DS. You don't think she intended to fall do you? So I would consider that an 'accident'. Same goes for Juhani when Quatra confronted her, and she ended up in the grove. You don't think Juhani intended when she woke up that morning to seriously injure her master, do you? :p If you're talking in game then yeah you, as the player, do choose either light or dark, but nothing says you can't roleplay your character's way there. That's the whole point of an RPG, isn't it?




Spike1942

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#7 10 years ago

Anakin Skywalker fell to the Dark Side by accident, didn't he?

He didn't join up as a Jedi at age 10 and decide that he wanted to be evil. He didn't even want to be evil at age 20.

What happened was, he fell in love with Padme, became a Jedi Padawan, became proud and arrogant, thought Obi-wan was holding him back, saw Padme again, and decided that he wanted a sexual and marital relationship with her.

None of that means that Anakin wanted to become evil. Quite the contrary. He wanted to be a great hero, and to have a wife! He was surprised when Padme became pregnant, but was happy about it and wanted to be a father.

Anakin had 'lapses' and made 'mistakes'. One lapse into anger was killing the Tusken Raiders who killed his mother. Quite understandable in the circumstances, most non-Jedi would have said the Tuskens deserved it.

One mistake was rushing to save his mother instead of realising that his mother's fate wasn't his responsibility anymore. A big mistake was marrying Padme and carrying on a relationship in secret. Another mistake was allowing his friendship with Chancellor Palpatine to become too close.

A huge mistake was killing Count Dooku - but again, given Dooku's crimes, most non-Jedi would have said that Dooku deserved it. Plus Palpatine was egging him on, and manipulating his thoughts and emotions. But even that first murder was not the point where Anakin really decided to turn to evil. He hoped to get away with it, and continue as a Jedi Knight.

Trying to save Padme from dying in childbirth by seeking forbidden knowledge was also a mistake - he made that possible future more likely instead of less likely with his actions.

Another possible mistake was not arresting Palpatine when the Chancellor revealed himself to be the Dark Lord. He might have defeated Sidious right there and then, or at least redeemed himself by trying.

The final decision that led Anakin to fall to the Dark Side was stopping Mace Windu from killing Palpatine, by cutting off Windu's arm. That was the point of decision, when Anakin decided that he really wanted the power of the Dark Side, at almost any cost.

So, what we have is a series of mistakes, errors, and lapses of judgement, and occasional fits of rage leading to crimes of passion, i.e. murder. That is enough to take Anakin far down the Dark Path without actually needing him to make a real commitment to the Dark Side. He can still strive to do good, and turn back to the Light Side, even after this.

Only at the end is the actual firm decision made to totally abandon the cause of good and commit to a future as a Sith Lord.

What I'm proposing is a similiar path for my KOTOR charactor. Falling into evil little by little instead of all at once, and later in the story instead of right at the beginning. She will start off innocent (losing your memory makes you childlike) trying to do the right thing, while being impatient and headstrong. Then she will start forgetting to follow the Jedi Code, and start allowing herself to believe that the 'good' end justifies unorthodox means, before finally becoming estranged from the Jedi path altogether and trying to save the galaxy her way instead of the Council's way, and only after that becoming truly evil and wanting Malak's power for herself.




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#8 10 years ago
Spike1942;4366968She will start off innocent (losing your memory makes you childlike) trying to do the right thing, while being impatient and headstrong.

The PC does have memories though. :uhm:




Spike1942

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#9 10 years ago
A'ja'la;4366971The PC does have memories though. :uhm:

False ones - and probably not that detailed, unless the Jedi actually transferred the real memories of another person, a REAL Republic scout, into Revan's head. Sort of like a Vulcan mind-meld?

Unless that's what's happened, Revan's completely fabricated memories must be strong on the basics like name, age, place of birth, occupation, etc, but weak on the personal details like school friends, fellow trainees, etc. Like: "Who was your drill instructor at the Academy?" "Uh.....can't remember his name right now....can't have made a big impression on me."




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#10 10 years ago
Darth Dracon;4366934:Puzzled: WTF? How does one fall to the dark side of the Force by accident? It's not like you put your infant child on the roof of the car packing away luggage and such and then driving off down the straight then realizing that the kid is still on the roof of the car..... One does not fall by accident. The Force is not an accident. You must choose the light or the dark (or grey-jedi status, if you gotta get technical). All sentient beings are taught, if not born knowing right from wrong. Unless you are the dumbest dumb fuck in the universe (Jar-Jar binks) then your game idea would not work, me thinks. But who am I to nay-say? LOL:lol: Give it whirl and let us know what happens....

Ahem..... in Obi-Wan's words. "Vader was seduced by the Dark Side of the Force".

He didn't choose it, he just wasn't strong enough or focused enough to resist it because of his impaired judgement, which is exactly what Sidious planned.

Ulic attempted to learn the ways of the Sith and remain a Jedi, but he failed. He too was seduced by the Dark Side, as was Exar Kun. Neither of them set out to become Sith, but to learn about the Sith in the hopes of combatting them better than they could have done knowing only Jedi teachings.