Revan91;4316815Well Dracon, Revan would never resort to such a thing. I think you have him confused with Malak. There wasn't much that could've been done differently really, except I would've killed Malak when I had the chance. (The first time he betrayed me)
Oh yeah? I would have killed Malak the first time he whined. Overall, I find your lack of vision disturbing.:moon:
My lack of vision? You're the one that came back from the outer rim and butchered everyone in your way to the Jedi Council! :lol:
Dead weight must be removed. Useless matter must be converted into useful matter. Obstacles must be overcome or removed completely. For growth and progress to occur, change must happen. The brave and the bold must take those steps. Complacency leads to stagnation. Stagnation leads to the grinding halt of all progress. The status quo must be changed. There are few that have the courage, the vision, the ability and the wherewithall to perform these necessary tasks, to take the necessary steps and thrust the galaxy and it's society into progress. Change is needed from the smallest family unit to the largest industrial complex and planetary governing body. Society must be ready to face the dangers, the challenges that await them. Together, we can excel, we can prosper; we must. For if we allow ourselves the opportunity to be placated by our own minimal advancments, then we will not have the desire or courage to reach for the next. I look to bring about change in a society that fears their own shadow and runs from challenges. I seek to unify all society to strengthen their resolve so that the necessary change has a base to stand on. I hear many politicians talking about change and the future, alluding to a vision of the Republic that is built on the backs of the impoverished and disenfranchised while the ruling elite keep their status of luxury and the Trade and Commerce guilds continue to swindle the working being out of every credit. But there are none that have stepped forward to assume the mantle of leadership and responsibility and I tire of the politicians fattening themselves and living lavishly while their worlds and the people that depend on them live in squallor. Hopeless times call for extreme and drastic measures. Sometimes, you must prod the bantha before it will move on it's own. Dangle the fodder before it and it will move in the direction that you choose. And if the Senate or the Jedi can not lead the people into their deserving future, whether through the Light Side of the Force or the Dark Side, whatever it takes to bring about change, then I must. I respect your Point Of View. But like I said, I find your lack of vision disturbing.
But you can't achieve everything you want using brute force.
Brute force? No, no, no my dear Revan. Brute force can only get you so far. Of that, we are in agreement. Subtlety, subterfuge, persuation, coersion, bribery, the promise of power, guidance towards the goal of absolute domination; these are the ways of the Dark Side. Did Sidious use brute force to climb into the chair of the Chancellorship? No. Did Sidious use brute force to have the Trade Federation block Naboo? No. Brute force is what less prepared individuals with no vision do, my friend. To conquer, to dominate, one must be well versed in philosophy, history, warfare, games of tactics and strategy, politics and have unlimited patience. A grand plan like mine would take a long time to come to fruition. But someone that has planned, prepared and outlined their goals and the way to those goals can use the crisis presented by the Mandalorian Wars to their advantage as the catalyst needed to implement the change required. One must be prepared for the storm even if the storm never manifests. Fortune favors he who is prepared. By showing the people that dramatic change is needed in their lives, they will be hesitant, of course, as is human nature, or Rodian nature or what ever species you are, but once comprehension dawns upon them, they will flock to it like a herd of thirsty kath hounds to the river. Do not underestimate the power of the mob. When you make people believe that they can not live without a thing, they will embrace that thing, give it life and make it theirs. Once the seed is planted, it will sprout and grow. Once they realize that you are the bringer of change, the person that will lead them into that greater future, they will follow you. There is an old saying; Wars may come and go, but soldiers love to hear the same speech. Brute force is the last option. Forcing change upon someone never works. They have to want to change. They have to desire the change. Change can not come through brute force, but by force of action. If you have planned out your domination wisely and tactfully, then once you set your plans in motion, you have but to sit back and watch as it unfolds. That is power that you can not buy. How do you change someone's mindset? By playing to thier base emotions, desires and fears. By reassuring them that, if they side with you, they will become stronger and be able to be heard. My speech would go something like this: "The Mandalorians came to this world and they destoyed your cities. They murdered your families, they killed your cattle and burned the fields of your farms. They left you all in ruin. They seperated what family and friends you had and turned you into slaves to serve them. If you fight with me, we will destroy the Mandalorians for what they did to your world, avenge your family and you will become stronger. You will have the right to the spoils that they took from you and you will be able to start a new life, they way you want it to be. But you must want it. How much is your peace of mind worth? How badly do you desire retribution? Will the Republic compensate you for your losses? Will the Jedi come to protect you this time? Join me and I will teach you. Join me and we can change the course of the war. Join me and together we can bring your message to the Senate, to those pompous wind bags that gave nothing to help you. Join me and I will help you avenge yourself." Once you make them own their destiny, they will follow you through the gates of Hell and back. Do you know why despotism doesn't work? Because the ruler lets the power go to his head. A democratic domination is one that you allow the people's voice to be heard, at the same time making the changes that you want by convincing the people that it is what THEY want. Again, that is power that you can't buy.
Darth Dracon;4316568What would you, as Revan have done differently during the Mandalorian War to ensure complete victory? I for one would have HK-47 kill Malak, assassinate the Jedi Council and conquered and fortified every Jedi Enclave, temple, school and world that they had a large enough presence. I would have had the Star Forge build another Star Forge orbiting Coruscant or Alderaan to start building an even larger military Force. I would have subjugated the Senate into absolute dictatorship and used the forces for a deep space excursion into the Unknown Regions to route out these "True Sith".:deal:
That doesn't sound like brute force and overambitious to you? :lol: Though you are right. As Kreia said, (This is my favorite line from Kreia. :D) "It is a far greater victory to have one see through your eyes than to close theirs forever."~Kreia.
Darth Dracon;4316568What would you, as Revan have done differently during the Mandalorian War to ensure complete victory? I for one would have HK-47 kill Malak, assassinate the Jedi Council and conquered and fortified every Jedi Enclave, temple, school and world that they had a large enough presence. I would have had the Star Forge build another Star Forge orbiting Coruscant or Alderaan to start building an even larger military Force. I would have subjugated the Senate into absolute dictatorship and used the forces for a deep space excursion into the Unknown Regions to route out these "True Sith".:deal:[/quote] [quote=Revan91;4324664]That doesn't sound like brute force and overambitious to you? :lol: Though you are right. As Kreia said, (This is my favorite line from Kreia. :D) "It is a far greater victory to have one see through your eyes than to close theirs forever."~Kreia.
Methinks you misunderstood my first posting quoted above. That is a very simplified statement of the overall plan that I have since spelled out to you and everyone else in this thread. It does not matter what you think of it. It is what I would do were I Revan facing the Mandalorian Wars. Brute force would be me barging into the Jedi Council and the Senate with a contingent of Jedi loyal to me and forcing the actions that I wanted at lightsaber point. Brute force would be me taking a fleet of capital ships directly to the Mandalorian front and giving Mandalore an ultimatum of surrender with no terms or blasting him to bits instead of finding a mutually beneficial solution. Brute force would be me imposing my will over all as a tyrant. That is not the way to consolidate power and rule. You must make the people want you to rule. That is power. Overambition would be for me to try and rule each individual planet with an iron fist. I leave the governing of Republic included worlds to the governors of those respective worlds. Of course, each planet would have a garrison of loyal soldiers and Jedi/Dark Jedi to quell any uprisings and ensure domestic peace and tranquility. Overambition would lead me to wipe out the entire Senate and the Jedi Council. I do not wish that. I recognize that harmony and balance must be preserved, but not at the cost of peace and progress. The Senate and Jedi Council alike would be cleansed of those beings not that would stand in the way of progress aggressively. For any civilization to thrive there must be made arguements to the counter. I think I would enjoy hearing the arguements, but ultimately, I sould have the support of the people. Like I said, none have stepped forward with a vision and plan the likes of which that I propose. :deal:
Ok, now you are scaring me... :Puzzled: See?? this is precisely why individuals like Darth Dracon should never be brought into the Jedi Order! It's Revans, Palpatines and Darth Dracons which should be supressed before they get to congress!! :lol:
Jedijax;4325723Ok, now you are scaring me... :Puzzled: See?? this is precisely why individuals like Darth Dracon should never be brought into the Jedi Order! It's Revans, Palpatines and Darth Dracons which should be supressed before they get to congress!! :lol:
LMAO! My master was a wise and venerable Jedi Master, well respected throughout the galaxy. When I learned all that I could from him, I needed to move on. I took the trials and became a Jedi Knight. However, the council did not see the problems of the Republic and within the Order, especially since many of those problems sat on the Council themselves. When my master would not listen to me, hear my pleas for him to approach the council, I cut him down with my lightsaber. At first I couldn't believe that I did it. Then a surge of emotions crashed like a wave over me and then I knew. If the Jedi Order could not bring the necessary change, I would have to show them. Does that make me Sith or just a Dark Jedi? Hey man, you want a piece of my pie? You can have some. Order is a concept born of a need to control the universe. I am slightly OC, but not as bad as Sidious. Besides, it's not like I'm GW Bush or anything. I won't hike up the price of power cells making it nearly impossible to move about the galaxy. And just so you know, I am already in the Senate!
Darth Dracon;4326143 I would have to show them. Does that make me Sith or just a Dark Jedi? And just so you know, I am already in the Senate!
A good question, and one which seems to confuse many contributors. Indeed, by doing what you have stated, you would be a Dark Jedi, not a Sith. The difference is quite clear, as you have not been trained in the Sith tradition since an early age, nor have you been chosen by a Sith Lord to be his disciple. However, since you bear the Darth title in your poster nick there are only two explanations: Either you have been a Sith in disguise all this time, which is higly unlikely, since you would have been discovered during training in the Order, or, like Revan, you have chosen the title yourself yet are no Sith at all. Just for show. :lol: And since you are in the Senate, well, lets just say it is a lucky thing that some renegade Jedi Knights are out there, beyond the High Council's authority, willing to take down any threat to their interests, and that their mentor is well into potential tyrants' schemes :lol: