JCarter426;4367934Crusades? What about Lord Hoth's war against the Brotherhood of Darkness? ;)
Indeed, and Hoth came quite close to falling to the Dark Side himself, as I recall - he developed a lust for revenge.
Lord_AragornGR;4367221Certain degree???:Puzzled: Are you kidding me??? He totally crushed the Mandalorians... Although the "Wait & See" style is not likeable, it saved many Jedi (the ones that didn't join Revan) from corruption and that damn Force Wound. But Revan had other things in his mind other than stop the Mandalorians. If I were Revan, and was convinced that the True Sith were going to strike, I would do something to unite the Republic against such a threat. (Here come the Mandalorians!) Simply drive the Mandalorians against the Republic (The Sith told them to attack, how do we know Revan wasn't the one to do it?).
It wasn't Revan. Mandalore says that the Sith came them with an offer of glory if they would attack the Republic. While we have speculated the nature of the True Sith and whether or not this was a lie, my opinion is that the Mandalorians were approached by someone claiming to be Sith, if not really Sith. And the Force willed Revan to act to a certain degree. What was meant was that while Revan acted out of his own mongering and disgust for the inaction of the Council, the Force had a hand in his actions, too. Gray Jedi often speak of the Living Force, that it has a will of it's own. Kreia goes so far as to put down the Handmaiden when she argues at what point does the Force exert it's own will on people. If the Force does have a will of it's own, which I tend to agree with (see tag line above), then it only makes sense that the Force required action and choose Revan to be it's instrument to shake things up. Who's to say that Revan becoming Darth Revan was not also the will of the Force? Malak betraying Revan might have been the will of the Force playing on Malak's desires to replace his former master, too. It's all speculative, but you never know.
But the Mandalorians hate the Sith. Even more than the Republic. Ever since Exar Kun, the Mandalorians, well, were a little more careful about who they allied with. PS. Like your new avatar Dracon. ;)
Revan91;4410637But the Mandalorians hate the Sith. Even more than the Republic. Ever since Exar Kun, the Mandalorians, well, were a little more careful about who they allied with. PS. Like your new avatar Dracon. ;)
822 posts? You've been busy, my young apprentice.:nodding: It's not so much that the Mandalorians hate the Sith. They hate the fact that Mandalore allowed the clans to be allied with Exar Kun with promises of power and glory. Then they had their assess handed to them. Then they were reluctant when the "Sith" approached them again and offered them power and glory. But these are the things that a Mandalorian craves. They hated the Jedi when they saw that the Council would not lift a finger to aide the Republic which left a unsavory taste in the mouths of the Mandalorians, especially when tales of Nomi Sunrider and Cay Qel-Droma dn Tot Doneeta and other valiant Jedi Knight met the Krath and Mandalorians on the battle field and whooped some ass. They thought that the Jedi had become weak and fearful cowards, which in my opinion, some that travel the lilghtside path are, but not all. It wasn't until Revan joined the war effort in the Mandalorian Wars that the Mandalorians found out what it means to Wake the Sleeping Dragon. Ol' Revan laid the smack down on the Mandies and they gained respect for his military prowess and his fearlessness. The Footsoldier Mandalorians (Neo-Crusaders) learned respect by confronting Jedi they saw as weak and pacifistic only to be sent back to their leaders with their weapons destroyed, their will shattered and their assess in hand. Nay, my young apprentice, while some Mandalorians may hold severe grudges against some Jedi for proving to be superior warriors in some ways, for the most part the Mandalorians respected the Jedi and especially Revan above all. They hated the fact that their defeat at Revan's hands at Malachor V was so complete, that Revan was willing to sacrifice the lives of his own troops to stop them. That is power. That is determination. That is the insanity of Revan's falling to the dark side. But I argue that some of that may have been the will of the Force. And I'm glad you like my new avatar. I certainly like it. I think it speaks volumes.
I must congratulate Darth Dracon for his most insightful contributions yet. Flawless posts, I tell you, yes sir. :nodding: Indeed, it is not that the mandalorians hate or even dislike the Sith, the Jedi or the Republic for that matter, what they whine about is anything going against their primitive beliefs of honor, courage and heroism. If they hated someone at all, as Sith do, the very object of their hatred would be their ancestral enemies, the ones exiling them from Coruscant, as is told in the Dha Werda Verda. Mandalorians are savage and brutal, it is obvious why Revan's figure appealed them so much, for he was as ruthless as them. This is why the game implies the Jedi fighting in the Mandalorian Wars cannot be percieved as Jedi anymore, Revan being the very embodiment of their mandalorian adoctrination. Kreia suggests it clearly when she says the mandalorians taught their ways to Revan and his followers through war. The Living Force/Potentium theories are, as Dracon stated, philosophies according to which The Force has a will of its own, a proposal supported by many facts with no logical explanation. Wether this is true or not, remains to be seen, and will probably never be clarified, as it is a discussion analog to the one between Energy and God. This is, The Force as a tool or the Force as a Sentient. Anyway, mister Dracon's avatar portrays a well-known schemer of the modern age, and though the image itself, taken from the final pages of the sequel to Crimson Empire, is rather impressive, it raises several disturbing questions as for the contributor himself... hmm... :Puzzled:
Thank you much Jedijax. I'm glad you agree. And no, no, no....Fyurii was kind enough to point out that the avatar I choose was a Yuuzahn Vong. Damn. I thought it was a cool ass picture of a Sith Lord with Orbalisk Armor. My New Avatar is that of a Sith Warrior, one that I feel embodies my character very well, being that he is a former Republic Marine and fierce warrior. He believes that the Force is a Sentience and uses us all as it's tool at the same time allowing us to use it as a tool. Like the midi-chlorians, we have a symbiotic relationship with the Force. We use it as much as it uses us, just that we don't always realize that it's using us to carry out the natural order of the universe...
I would have just installed cloaking devices in ALL my ships, and just start Nuking the UNIVERSE!
....Call me Shady
Dusk;4477741I would have just installed cloaking devices in ALL my ships, and just start Nuking the UNIVERSE!
....Call me Shady
How would you get around the problems involved with cloaking devices in the Star Wars Universe?
Problems? Oh, right, I think I remember reading something about how it doesn't let anything in or out. But Goto's yacht didn't seem to have that problem, so let's just say that there was a period between KOTOR and the movies in which technology degraded (say, around the time of Bane). Or something.
It's not that there was a degredation of Tech, but that there's two types of cloaking device, both of which utilise stygium crystals.
1: Full cloak allowing shields and weapon use but negates sensors and visual monitoring.
2: Full cloak that disables shields and weapons but allows for sensors and visual monitoring.
The first option can be negated by a poweful enough Jedi/Sith/Dark Jedi acting as a relay in a coordinated attack, as shown with Joruus C'Boath doing so during Thrawn's campaign against the New Republic.
The second option allows for surprise attacks and stealth recon at the expense of alternate defense or the ability to attack under cloak, as shown with the V-38 TIE Phantom.