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#1 10 years ago

Hi everyone! I'm fairly new to KOTOR -fairly new to Star Wars, come to that -and I am looking for information on the True Sith.

I know there's not a lot of information on them, but I'm writing a post-KOTORII fanfic, so for obvious reasons, I need anything I can get hold of. Rumours, common fan opinion, theories . . .

So what do you know about the Sith'ari?




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#2 10 years ago

The Sith'ari isn't the same thing as the True Sith. The Sith'ari was an old Sith prophecy--a "perfect being" will destroy the Sith...but will also make them stronger; this is usually interpreted to be Anakin/Vader, but it could also refer to Revan. It's a prophecy; it's vague like that. Where the prophecy of the Sith'ari came from, we don't know; Revan could have found out about it from either the Sith on Korriban or from the Trayus Academy (both were once True Sith worlds...but Korriban was also home to not-True Sith). We really have absolutely no information on the True Sith, because Obsidian planned to explain all that in K3 when they made it. Of course, K3 was never made (yet...), so we've got squat for now.

I'll go over what we do know about the Sith that are not the True Sith, and try to piece together what the True Sith are...

*About 24,000 years before K1 (~28,000 BBY), the Sith species (red guys with tentacle "beards") drove out the Rakatans and fled to Ziost.

*In 7,000 BBY, exiled Jedi land on Korriban and are treated as gods by the native Sith species. So, either the Sith from Ziost moved back to Korriban at some point, or some never left.

*The Sith Empire (NOT the True Sith) thrived for 2,000 years, with Ziost as its capital and Korriban as its graveyard world, until Korriban was rediscovered by the Republic circa 5,000 BBY. The only surviving Sith Lord of the war that followed was Naga Sadow, who fled to Yavin IV.

*The fallen Jedi Freedon Nadd eventually found Yavin IV and learned the ways of the dark side from Sadow's spirit. Proclaiming himself the new Dark Lord, he traveled to Onderon and enslaved the planet, becoming its king.. Queen Talia (in K2) is a direct descendant of Nadd (as is mentioned in the game).

*Another fallen Jedi, Exar Kun, found Nadd's remains on Dxun, and so Nadd's spirit taught Kun, taking him to old Sith worlds like Korriban and Yavin IV. After completing his training, Kun attacked Nadd's spirit, destroying it. However, Nadd had also been teaching the Keto cousins in the ways of the dark side, who in turn captured and corrupted Ulic Qel-Droma. As he died again, Nadd appeared to Satal Keto, warning him about Kun.

*Qel-Droma set about to destroy Kun, and Kun Qel-Droma, but as soon as the two met each other, the spirit of Marka Ragnos intervened, declaring Kun Dark Lord of the Sith, with Qel-Droma as his apprentice. Thus the Great Sith War began.

*Kun and Qel-Droma were eventually defeated; Qel-Droma's connection to the Force was severed by Nomi Sunrider, and Kun's spirit was trapped in one of the temples on Yavin IV, where it would remain for four thousand years, until Skywalker founded his Jedi Academy there, and Kun preyed on Skywalker's students, until together they destroyed Kun's spirit once and for all.

And so that put an end to the old Sith Empire. Now, we know that the True Sith were not the same Sith, according to Obsidian's official comments, and Kreia's comments in the game. However, we also know that Korriban was once a True Sith world. When, we don't know, but according to Kreia, the True Sith forgot about worlds like Korriban and Malachor long ago. It must have been before 5,000 BBY, since Obsidian claims that Marka Ragnos and company were not True Sith (Ragnos died circa 5,000 BBY).

So, the True Sith left Korriban at some unknown point between 28,000 BBY and 7,000 BBY, established an empire outside that of Ragnos and company, and had forgotten about their homeworld by the time of KOTOR (probably hundreds of years prior to the games). Well, that's assuming that the True Sith were originally from Korriban, which I don't think is a stretch to assume.

We know that one group of Sith left Korriban around 28,000 BBY, in order to relocate on Ziost. And the empire of Ragnos and company was not founded until 7,000 BBY, so it's possible the True Sith were founded until then; however, we are led to believe in K2 that the True Sith are much older than that, though it's still not entirely possible. I have a couple of theories:

*The True Sith left Korriban when they drove out the Rakatans circa 28,000 BBY, relocating on Ziost and forming an Empire, only to abandon the planet later at some unknown point, along with worlds like Malachor V.

*The True Sith left Korriban when they drove out the Rakatans circa 28,000 BBY, relocating to some unknown world, and establishing but later abandoning the Trayus Academy on Malachor V.

*The True Sith left Korriban when the Dark Jedi arrived on the planet circa 7,000 BBY, relocating to some unknown world, and establishing but later abandoning the Trayus Academy on Malachor V.

However, it's entirely possible I've overlooked something. Since we have no info on them, feel free to make stuff up. :D

For example, in the fictional universe inside my head, the True Sith died out a few thousand years before KOTOR, devolving into a primitive culture like the Massassi did, until they were reestablished by Revan after he found the Star Forge. He then went off into the Unknown in order to destroy them (LS), or to rule them once again (DS) once he regained his memory.

So, that's the beauty about the True Sith; they could be almost anything.




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#3 10 years ago

emeryboard;4351184Oh, this is wonderful! Everything I ever needed to know about the Sith, but was . . . well, I asked now, didn't I? ;)

Thanks a bundle for this, it's just what I needed.[/quote]

No problem. :) Was helpful for me too, since I was a bit fuzzy on some of the details concerning what happened to Naga Sadow and Freedon Nadd (haven't actually read all of the TOTJ comics yet...I think I missed "The Freedon Nadd Uprising").

Oh well, at least no one can correct me :D

Exactly! :D

Oh, I did forget something...Revan found the Trayus Academy, which led him to Korriban and the Star Map on Dantooine. So the empire that Revan set up was a combination of two dead Sith empires--the one of Ragnos and company on Korriban, and the one of the True Sith on Malachor. Though according to Kreia, Korriban wasn't the true foundation of Revan's empire (more foreshadowing about Malachor, of course).

That means that Malachor and Korriban were forgotten by the True Sith around the same time. Why the True Sith never sought out the Star Forge is unclear; it's possible they knew the dangers of it and thought better of it--which suggests that the True Sith Emprie was that which left Korriban circa 28,000 BBY.

[quote=Revan91;4351203]Well Welcome to the filefront forums! Like Carter said, not much is known about the True Sith, but we do know that Naga Sadow was a true sith.

Eh? No, Naga Sadow was the last of the Sith species (well, he was a hybrid). But he was part of the empire of Ragnos and company (he immediately followed Ragnos), so he was not a True Sith, according to Obsidian.

Oh, and on that subject...the True Sith might not be of the Sith species, since, in the words of Kreia, the Sith is a belief. For all we know they could be pink leprechauns...evil pink leprechauns. They tell me to burn things. ;)

Though odds are they are of the Sith species.




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#4 10 years ago
emeryboard;4351184Oh, this is wonderful! Everything I ever needed to know about the Sith, but was . . . well, I asked now, didn't I? ;) Thanks a bundle for this, it's just what I needed. I just wish KOTOR had elaborated a bit more -I really don't look forward to re-creating a whole culture on the data they gave us. Oh well, at least no one can correct me :D

Wait a minute, there....While JCarter gave you the history of the Sith as we know it, he did not reveal to you everything you needed to know about the Sith. He did not delve into the philosophies surrounding the early, middle and late Sith Order periods. He did not reveal to you the greater understandings that Sith have discovered over their Jedi counterparts. The Sith are an order of will as opposed to an order of rules like the Jedi. Only the strong survive while the weak are needed to be swept away or meant to serve the strong. There is much literature on both the Jedi and Sith Orders. I highly recommend that if you study, study the differences between the two, not just the histories. Remember: history is written by the victors and is biased.




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#5 10 years ago

Well, that's a given. It was so obvious I didn't think I had to state it. Wait, actually, I did. :p As I said, Revan's empire was based on the teachings of the True Sith Empire. So in order to understand the True Sith, you must look at Revan's Sith first. And I also mentioned that the Sith is a belief. So there. :p




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#6 10 years ago

Just backing you up, there pal. Giving our new friend a little more informatzi to suckle on, is all.




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#7 10 years ago
JCarter426;4350411The Sith'ari isn't the same thing as the True Sith. The Sith'ari was an old Sith prophecy--a "perfect being" will destroy the Sith...but will also make them stronger; this is usually interpreted to be Anakin/Vader, but it could also refer to Revan. It's a prophecy; it's vague like that. Where the prophecy of the Sith'ari came from, we don't know; Revan could have found out about it from either the Sith on Korriban or from the Trayus Academy (both were once True Sith worlds...but Korriban was also home to not-True Sith).

The Sith'ari - the "perfect being" - was Darth Bane, in my opinion, who lived 1,000 years after Revan.

He destroyed the Sith Brotherhood led by Lord Kaan (actually, by tricking Lord Kaan into destroying himself and all his followers with the 'thought bomb'. This was in order to recreate 'The Rule of Two' principle that says there can never be more than two Sith at once, a master and an apprentice. "One to embody the power [of the Dark Side], the other to crave it."

From Darth Bane the power passed from master to apprentice for many generations, in unbroken lineage, right up until Darth Sidious (Palpatine).

Without the work of Darth Bane, the Old Republic would never have been destroyed. He was the first to realise that the Old Republic could only be defeated by poisoning it from within, instead of conquering it from without.




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#8 10 years ago

Eh...I think that's the point of the Sith'ari; it could be just about anyone. Hell, it might not even be one person, but rather a model that Sith follow, and so they end up "becoming" the Sith'ari of their time.