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[+Glasius+] Advanced Member

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#71 17 years ago

L337-Fu, oh and you say you dont get high from taking a puf from a cigarette? Of course you get a high, the nicotine high is just much less noticable for a regular smoker. Ask any doctore you know what substance is the most addictive and they will answer tobago. Have you got any idea how many different chemicals are used on a single cigg?

And the effects on the brain after smoking weed is no where near what happense when you drink alcohol, so dont compare the two.




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#72 17 years ago

It's cosy to sit back and say that weed isn't a "gateway" drug, especially if you smoke weed. Don't get me wrong, if you smoke weed socially in the company of friends you trust then it is no more damaging than smoking tobacco and drinking alcohol (not that smoking and drinking isn't damaging) However people who smoke weed do so because they have been introduced to it (they didn't find it lying around on the floor) and once the introduction has been made the next introductory step is just around the corner. Smoking heroin may sound like a big jump but think about it - it's not like you're injecting it like the junkies you hear about. So hey, hell yes, give me a quick puff. And it all seems so much more fun when you're stoned on weed.

And whislt we're talking "gateways" - how many weed smokers here were introduced to weed after having a drink or three?

ALL DRUGS ARE BAD WHEN NOT PRESCRIBED BY A DOCTOR

Should they be illegal? Different subject matter.

Making something illegal because it is bad for you opens up a whole Pandora's Box of problems.

Take sugar, salt. Both ok in moderation but bad in excess, and we all love to smother our food in salt don't we? Illegal? Hmmm?

You could expand to other things, sports, film and tv, some of which is supposedly bad for you, make it illegal then.

I could rabbit on for ever making the same point, but people have the right to abuse their bodies and minds. They should though have the information at hand to make an informed choice about the damage they want to inflict on themselves.

I also firmly believe that if they wish to go ahead and abuse their bodies then the state should not have to fund their mistakes with continued Health Care.




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#73 17 years ago

Drugs arnt better when prescribed by doctor, a patient getting addicted to drugs is not an alien phenomenon.

Its very basic really. A human body can tolerate small doses of numerous different substances and recover without having permenant sideeffects(sp?). Permanent use of just about any substance will give effects or changes in someway, for good or bad. Addiction to drugs is just the same as an addiction to THC, sugar, nicotine, alcohol, cafeen(sp?) etc, the body is missing some substance, which it has been exposed to over a long period of time, and is reacting in unplesant ways to deal with the problem. The danger is that most chemical prescribtion type drugs are made to function fast, as an express way to addiction (as they need to be to server their purpose).




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#74 17 years ago
'[+Glasius+']L337-Fu, oh and you say you dont get high from taking a puf from a cigarette? Of course you get a high, the nicotine high is just much less noticable for a regular smoker. Ask any doctore you know what substance is the most addictive and they will answer tobago. Have you got any idea how many different chemicals are used on a single cigg? And the effects on the brain after smoking weed is no where near what happense when you drink alcohol, so dont compare the two.

Actually yes I have got quite a good idea, and yet I couldn't care less. Thats damage to yourself. Go ahead and pollute your own body all you want, thats your business. I smoked for many years. A hell of a lot to. Of course theres the "nicotine high" but any idiot with a 6th grade education can tell you its nothing close to the high you get from smoking a joint or two. When you're high on a joint, you can't think straight. Your reaction time is drastically reduced, as are your other senses. In smoking weed you can't comprehend things clearly, you can't think straight. Thus, you cause accidents. Sometimes you only kill yourself, which is well and good. Go die and rid the world of your instability. But more often you'll get in an accident and injure somebody else in the process. Thats not gonna happen from smoking, and you know it. Don't even attempt to compare the two. And I never said anything about being drunk being worse than being high. Its not just dangerous. But in drinking you can take it in moderation. Its entirely different.




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#75 17 years ago

IMO drinking alcohol in moderation for a casual drink is fine, no harm done, but drugs on the other hand are BAD! Dont ever take em!




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#76 17 years ago

I like smokin ganja.... Only a couple times a month... That can't hurt nobody... Theres no doubt about that alcohol is more dangerous than weed...




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#77 17 years ago

Ganja ?




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#78 17 years ago

Weed, I presume




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#79 17 years ago
L337-FuActually yes I have got quite a good idea, and yet I couldn't care less. Thats damage to yourself. Go ahead and pollute your own body all you want, thats your business. I smoked for many years. A hell of a lot to. Of course theres the "nicotine high" but any idiot with a 6th grade education can tell you its nothing close to the high you get from smoking a joint or two. When you're high on a joint, you can't think straight. Your reaction time is drastically reduced, as are your other senses. In smoking weed you can't comprehend things clearly, you can't think straight. Thus, you cause accidents. Sometimes you only kill yourself, which is well and good. Go die and rid the world of your instability. But more often you'll get in an accident and injure somebody else in the process. Thats not gonna happen from smoking, and you know it. Don't even attempt to compare the two. And I never said anything about being drunk being worse than being high. Its not just dangerous. But in drinking you can take it in moderation. Its entirely different.

I was only pointing out that your earlier statement on tobago being more hazardous than weed (The british loung report thingie) was not excactly solid research. Did you know the worst brands of tobago uses over 2000 different substances blended in their tobago, and they are only obligated to list 500 of them to the public?

Everything you said about hurting other people, getting into accidents, not understanding etc could be said about any drunk you meet at a bar. Have you smoked weed yourself, since your posting such detailed information about user effects?

The things you list as negative effects on weed is more or less why people smoke it. Where alcohol KILLS your braincells, THC blocks some of the electrical signalrecievers in your head, causing your brain not to react to every little details the nerve system is picking up on, making it very relaxing to do absolutely nothing.

Im sorry, I just dont see cookie-eating, laughin, slow, mumbling stoneheads as a threat to my personal safety.




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#80 17 years ago

I wasn't going to say anything, but its getting a little annoying: its tobacco not tobago. Two bags to go. Whatever. In any case, you weren't only pointing out the shaky evidence for my previous statement, you were equating the nicotine high in smoking a cigarette to that of getting high on marijuana. And I never said anything that would imply being drunk was any better then being high. Infact, I said:

I never said anything about being drunk being worse than being high. Its not just dangerous.

I know that last bit doesnt make alot of sense, I ment it to say "Its just as dangerous" but for some reason I couldn't edit the post. Have I ever smoked weed? I was hoping I wouldn't have to get into this, but I did dabble in the practice when I was a teenager. I was an ignorant fool and quite honestly I can't even really remember what justification I had for smoking it in the first place, but I did. I never got heavy into it however, my dad stopped me quite firmly in my tracks and I thank God for it, because I had friends who weren't so lucky. People I knew who used to be great guys. One of them in particular, got messed up on weed with a few of his buddies and they decided to hop in the car and go for a spin, just messin around. Unfortunatly the guy driving wasn't in the best condition to drive (ie, fresh off two or three joints) along with the guys and my friend in the car. He steered the car off the road, mowing down a man walking his dog and slamming into Post Office station ahead. My friend and the guy with him suffered heavy injuries but made it out alive, the driver and the guy in the passenger seat werent so lucky as they were not wearing their seatbelts and were launched through the windshield and split their skulls open on the pavement. And I would hope you wouldn't be so naive as to believe that such instances are merely a "rare" occurance, it happens all the time. But like I said, its no more dangerous than drinking and driving. Except when you drink you can drink in moderation and not get drunk. Now, I never said anything with regards to ending the drug war. Im just trying to dispell the myth that marijuana is harmless as you think it is. Which obviously you do, as you dont see it as a threat to your personal safety. Infact, Im for the legalization of marijuana and Im for ending the drug war, but not because its at all harmless, thats just absurdity. The money made by selling illegal drugs goes to the hands of criminial/terrorist organization, and because they are illegal dealers can price their drugs to be extremely expensive, which is just more money for these criminial organizations. By legalizing drugs the prices tumble and we eliminate the black market for the product. This way the taxpayers don't have to pour so much money into fighting an endless drug war, police officers dont have to lose their lives fighting that war and criminial organizations no longer may a huge profit from the trade, infact they lose one of their biggest businesses. But by no means does that mean marijuana isn't just as harmful if not more then tobacco and alcohol. The benefits out way the negatives.