How do you all feel about the pres.? Is he a good one or do you disagree with his choices and opinions?
Nothing more than an adult baby-sitter :rolleyes:
18th December 2003
This thread is not going to be an attack thread towards george Bush OR the creator of the thread. If I see flaming going around, either towards Bush or sgillispie, you will be dealt with accordingly. Post MATURE replys to the thread subject, and everyone will be thrilled.
Well from Australia and since I dont know anything really about US politics and im only 18, I just like the fact we (allies) are going after terrorism.
I had no problem with him at all, despite all the democratic liberals attacking him. I thought he was a good president...until he decided to grant amnesty to illegal immigrants. Then, I lost all respect for him.
Dont get me wrong, I have nothing agianst immigration, just illegal immigration, espicially sense Im in San Diego...like a few miles from the border...
NiteStrykerI had no problem with him at all, despite all the democratic liberals attacking him. I thought he was a good president...until he decided to grant amnesty to illegal immigrants. Then, I lost all respect for him. Dont get me wrong, I have nothing agianst immigration, just illegal immigration, espicially sense Im in San Diego...like a few miles from the border...
yes as a california in claremont and that not the claremont by san diego. i think that imiggration thing he did was too low. It will never get passed but the fact he did it and we all know why for votes.
17th June 2002
I disagree with politics in general, in most countries. While there are people involved who genuinely want to make a difference, most are after the pay, and the power, that their positions offer. I was watching one of the many debates in the House of Commons regarding tuition fees. I noticed Howard attack everything Blair said, even if it was actually sensible, and would help more people than it damaged. Again, Blair's response to the Hutton report, Howard attacked him - for no reason; making up facts. He was arguing simply because he could. It was just like watching one of those 'you started it', 'no, you started it' kid arguments in primary school playgrounds. It was then that I simply gave up with politics. I'm not even going to bother voting - it makes little difference, they're all out for what they can screw from our taxes. It's all a farce. A bureaucratic farce.
Taking that fact into account, combined with the fact I know little about George Bush - besides the reputation fed to me by the press depicting him as a war mongering swindler - I can't say I agree with much that I do know he's done; it's probably all been for himself and his re-election campaign. That, to me, isn't the sign of a good leader, just a greedy one.
Even if he weren't, the illegal war would sway me into the no-no area. I don't care what the motives were (probably economic, though). I don't care how fast it was. I don't even care what it accomplished (an unstable Iraq where the people are more scared of dying now than ever). The United States of America was the first nation to suggest such a thing as the UN - Wilson's idea, I believe, at the end of WW1. League of Nations wasn't the same as the UN, but it was a similar idea. The United States of America provides a large chunk of funding to the UN (added support that the UN isn't corrupt, as they would have sanctioned the war because of the money). The United States of America believes in peace - I hope. A peace that the UN has kept since WW2, for the most part. Yet, Bush undermined the very ideals of the UN by ignoring them, and waging war on a whim anyway. That, to me, is enough to condemn him to losing the next general election. And his partner-in-crime Mr. Blair. They'd have to rescue a fair amount of orphans from wolves before that fundamental issue was redeemed. Or something like that, lol. In fact, I may just vote for everyone but the Labour party until Blair is kicked out...
15th January 2004
i think the poll says it all really...
I don't spend enough time here
3rd December 2003
I was just lurking around the forums, and i saw this thread here. Now, you must understand, i do support Bush in many of his ideals and beliefs, and I do not believe he is ignorant (again the image fed to us by the press) because of his southern accent and "drawl(sic)." I am a southerner myself, and also posses this southern accent, and am frequently ridiculed because of this accent (i live in CA now).
People tend to assume that, because of this accent, that I am not only ignorant, but also racist, this is entirely not true, and is also quite offensive. I have entire conversations with people that are black or of some ethnic background that have run the basic course of:
Person: Where are you from? Me: Oh, I'm from South Carolina, why do you ask? Person: Oh I was just wondering, I heard your accent, but you sounded to intelligent to be southern, and i thought all southerner's were racist... Me: Who the hell told you this!? Person: Well Bush is ignorant, so- Me: Oh my god- Bush is not ignorant, he graduated from Harvard. Your ignorant for listening to every bit of information that's fed to your puny little mind by MTV or BET, god your sad (storm off) Person: F- YOU!
(yes i have had several conversations like that)
But the war in Iraq was fought for a good cause, although not the most known cause. It was basically using Iraq as a demonstration or as an example for the other countries in that area (Saudi Arabia, Pakistan- and all the other "Stan's") that harbor or aid terrorism. Sending the message, in other words, that the US is not to be toyed with.
Personally I believe the message was well sent.
Also: Most of this Information can be found in the new book by, umm, dammit i can't recall his name. I'll find it. It's a book about the reasons the war was fought, written by either one of the chiefs of staff or a member of cabinet. Man! I can't remember the title! :furious: