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#21 16 years ago
L337-FuN0e, I can't tell where your coming from there. Every country thats apart of the UN Security Council has money owed, but none of them pay even close to the amount of cash the United States pours into that organization. Without the US as a funder the United Nations would be crippled. Infact, I can't see why we even continue to support the UN, it's become so corrupted and useless I can't see the good it does us anymore.

I just remember seeing somewhere(sorry, I can't remember the source) that we owed the largest sum of money to the UN.

As for Bush, I started out as a big supporter for the man. I thought he could give this country the boost it needed. I saw the spending and I thought "Oh well, it is true he has to make up for years of Clinton's deconstructing of the military." but then it just kept going on, and I saw him pour more and more money into places it didnt need to go. I saw him expand entitlement programs, I saw him dump cash on the NEA, etc. etc. etc. I saw him attain a republican congress, and still he did nothing with it. Now I see him in Iraq, claiming we've only got about three years to go in there and I realize: thats bullshit. Iraq has become a quagmire. We have bogged down our soldiers. I supported the cause for the war and the war itself, I witnessed one of the greatest military campaigns in history, but how much longer can it go on? How many more need to die? Or maybe I don't know what the hell Im talking about, with little knowledge of what goes on in the higher branches of the military, I guess Im in no position to pass judgement on the outcome of our stay in Iraq. But I can say its not looking good, and something needs to be done. Ive lost my faith in George Bush, but I dont waste my time bashing him. I don't think he did what he did for corporate success or for oil (If anyone wants to argue that with me, go ahead your wasting your time. Ive completely disregarded any such argument) or really for any reason other then weapons of mass destruction, which once again I support. The way I see it as this point, I have no candidate in the elections, no real candidate. But between a democrat and Bush, I'll pick Bush. Because I can only see things getting worse without him. Who knows, maybe he'll redeem himself in his second term.

I am the same way, in the beginning, I liked what he had to say. It sounded like he would really improve some of the aspects that needed to be dealt with in this country. Instead he squanderd it for what seems more of a family dispute then an actual cause. He's childish in his actions at best. (Need I remind anyone of changing french fries in the pentagon to freedom fries because france didn't support us with Iraq.) I don't believe we went into Iraq because of WMD, it doesn't seem to fit. There are too many other reasons a coporate friendly president would go in for. Also, why are we being the world police in that region? What gives us the right. The UN is setup to do just that, there's no need for us to go invading other countries on their behalf(yes I know other troops were there, but they acted as allies, not as the UN) Invading for oil seems more likely an excuse. I also thought the idea of countries bidding on who rebuildes Iraq was humiliating to the Iraqie people. It's their country, let them rebuild in the way they want it to be, not have some outside source delegate to them on how THEY want it. If someone says some stupid thing like "fuck the iraqie people, they'll do what we tell them, we kicked their ass's" then you are as ignorant as your statement. We want them to be friends, how is that possible if we act like nothing more than a bully to them? They have rights too, it's not our position to decide them, yet we are, and using military force to keep it going.. how lovely, that's a great way to sway them to being democratic.. use the military. I mean, no other government does that sort of thing.. oh wait.. communism does, yay!


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#22 16 years ago

Bush himself would be a great president.... of a golf club. For god's sakes we didn't need to go to war! I am going to make this short because I don't got a lot of time due to Superbowl. If Iraq needed our help in taking down Saddam THEY WOULD HAVE ASKED! and tell me something.... Why is it called The War against Iraq.... IT IS A WAR AGAINST SADDAM, SADDA'S ALLIES AND ALL TERRORISTS! I can understand a War against Terrorism, but why are we out in other countries just wasting our (and other countries) troops lives? We should be defending our country and enhancing our population and technology rather I can understand the search for Osama Bin Laden. He commited a crime while in OUR country. He basicly hired a bunch of suicidal hitmen. Anyway I think Bush should be voted out of office. I may be democratic but after seeing what bush has done to our country, I think I am switching to undicided cause I sure as hell ain't a rebulican. I am going to cut this short. PEACE out all.




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#23 16 years ago

other than takin away americans rights, making a huge deficient, and startin a war that has damaged ties with the world, well, other than that. hes A-OK with me........................................




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#24 16 years ago

Oh yea, Giovanni just reminded me of something. Wherever Bush goes there are "Free Speech Zones" and there are "Protest Zones". The Free Speech zones are filled with Bush Supporters, usually right infront of Bush, or in his sight. The "Protest Zones" are for anyone who is protesting or disagrees with Bush. They are put often a mile away from Bush, and he never sees them. Now that is a crime.




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#25 16 years ago
yup, us getting oil cheaper really is a reason to sacrifice american soldiers in a war that must end in 30 days before Congress retracts them. Gotta love that executive power. /end sarcasm

We did not send soldiers over to lower our oil prices, besides, in the most heated periods of the war, our oil prices were actually much higher. :fistpunch:

:edit: whoops- nevermind.

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#26 16 years ago
KillorLiveThe oil thing is bullshit and most people do (or very damn well should) know it is.

* There is more oil and gas in the Caspian Sea area than in Saudi Arabia, but you need a pipeline through Afghanistan to get the oil out. * UNOCAL, a giant American Oil conglomerate, wanted to build a 1,000 mile long pipeline from the Caspian Sea through Afghanistan to the Arabian Sea. * UNOCAL spent $10,000,000,000 on geological surveys for pipeline construction, and very nicely courted the Taliban for their support in allowing the construction to begin. * 1998-1999 the Taliban changed its mind and threw UNOCAL out of the country and awarded the pipeline project to a company from Argentina. * John Maresca, VP of UNOCAL testified before Congress and said no pipeline until the Taliban were gone and a more friendly government was established. * 1999-2000 The Taliban became the most evil people in the world. * 9/11 WTC disaster. * Bush goes to war against Afghanistan even though none of the hijackers came from Afghanistan. * Bush blamed Bin Laden but has never offered any proof saying it's a "secret". The Taliban offered to negotiate to turn over Bin Laden if we showed them some proof. US refused; US bombed. * We have a new government in Afghanistan. The leader of that government formerly worked for UNOCAL (Hamid Karrzai). * Dick Cheney worked for the giant oil conglomerate Haliburton before becoming VP of USA. Haliburton gave Cheney $34,000,000,000 as a farewell gift when he left. * There is $6 Trillion dollars worth of oil in the Caspian Sea area. * The US government quietly announces Jan 31, 2002 we will support the construction of the Trans-Afghanistan pipeline. * President Musharref (Pakistan), and Karrzai, (Afghanistan - Unocal) announce agreement to build proposed gas pipeline from Central Asia to Pakistan via Afghanistan. (Irish Times 02/10/02)

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bullshit? you think so? hmm. . . seems like oil was Prime Suspect in Afghanistan, why not in Iraq?




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#27 16 years ago

nice map azH :naughty:

and all that info looks very familair ;)




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#28 16 years ago

yeah, i couldn't find your post so i looked it up. plus all that "isn't that strange" shit really got on my nerves. :p




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#29 16 years ago
AzH* There is more oil and gas in the Caspian Sea area than in Saudi Arabia, but you need a pipeline through Afghanistan to get the oil out. * UNOCAL, a giant American Oil conglomerate, wanted to build a 1,000 mile long pipeline from the Caspian Sea through Afghanistan to the Arabian Sea. * UNOCAL spent $10,000,000,000 on geological surveys for pipeline construction, and very nicely courted the Taliban for their support in allowing the construction to begin. * 1998-1999 the Taliban changed its mind and threw UNOCAL out of the country and awarded the pipeline project to a company from Argentina. * John Maresca, VP of UNOCAL testified before Congress and said no pipeline until the Taliban were gone and a more friendly government was established. * 1999-2000 The Taliban became the most evil people in the world. * 9/11 WTC disaster. * Bush goes to war against Afghanistan even though none of the hijackers came from Afghanistan. * Bush blamed Bin Laden but has never offered any proof saying it's a "secret". The Taliban offered to negotiate to turn over Bin Laden if we showed them some proof. US refused; US bombed. * We have a new government in Afghanistan. The leader of that government formerly worked for UNOCAL (Hamid Karrzai). * Dick Cheney worked for the giant oil conglomerate Haliburton before becoming VP of USA. Haliburton gave Cheney $34,000,000,000 as a farewell gift when he left. * There is $6 Trillion dollars worth of oil in the Caspian Sea area. * The US government quietly announces Jan 31, 2002 we will support the construction of the Trans-Afghanistan pipeline. * President Musharref (Pakistan), and Karrzai, (Afghanistan - Unocal) announce agreement to build proposed gas pipeline from Central Asia to Pakistan via Afghanistan. (Irish Times 02/10/02)
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bullshit? you think so? hmm. . . seems like oil was Prime Suspect in Afghanistan, why not in Iraq?

the Taliban were always some of most evil people in the world. Not just for a couple of years. None of the terrorists came from Afghanistan? Tell me, if I am born in New Mexico and I move to Los Angeles and proceed to found a gang for whatever my deranged reasons, and my gang grows larger and larger to the point where it becomes a serious threat in Los Angeles and eventually carries out a large scale attack with results in mass casualties, shall the authorities look at my record and see that I am from New Mexico and proceed to hunt for me and my gang in New Mexico, while I left New Mexico ten years before the creation of my gang? Why would any of my operatives or my gang members be in a place where I left ten years ago? Al-Qaeda was established in 1989 (or 88 according to some other sources) in Peshawar right on the border between Pakistan and Afghanistan. Not a one of those highjackers may have been from Afghanistan, but what the hell does that have to do with it? They joined Al-Qaeda which was operating all of its central training bases and camp complexes out of Afghanistan, with the full support and aid from the goverment of that country, the Taliban. It makes no sense that they would invade a country based on where the highjackers were born. You attack an enemy where its headquarters and where all of its resources are located at, not where the leader happened to have been born. Bush never offered any proof that Osama bin Laden was behind the attacks? bin Laden was not responsible for the attacks? thats what it looks like to me. You need proof from the president to understand that Osama bin Laden as the head of Al-Qaeda directed an Al-Qaeda attack on the US, find all the proof you need just buy reading a local newspaper article, or surfing the net for about a minute. Beyond that, our intelligence was open for the whole world to see, there was no hiding of information because no information needed to be hidden! Anyone who requires proof for Osama bin Ladens involvement in 9/11 is either closing their eyes to the truth of the matter or simply searching for any means to make the President look bad regardless of their knowledge for the facts. The Taliban offered to turn over bin Laden if we could offer proof? How could bullshit coming from something like the Taliban? Like I said, our intelligence was open for all the world to see, including the Taliban (like the bastards needed it, working with Al-Qaeda since the day of its creation). We did not refuse, they were just blowing smoke out of their asses. We all knew the Taliban was not going to turn over bin Laden under any circumstances. Dick Cheney recieved 30 billion dollars from Haliburton when he left? Funny, I read a similiar report from Aljazeera.net, except even they didnt go as far to claim he recieved cash in the billions, they were kind enough to stick to a mere 30 million. You could say the amount of cash earned from work in Iraq is at about 350-400 million dollars, maybe more. I think it is obvious the deal went to Haliburton because its the most capable and worthy company for handling the job. Even so, it doesn't make a damned difference because Cheney isnt recieving any payment for such a deal from a company he left years ago. But lets play with this for a minute and I'll pretend that the job was givin to Haliburton based on the fact that Cheney was a former executive. Why then would the Clinton administration funnel tens of millions of dollars into the company and award them 11 Navy contracts worth a 110 billion dollars for work done in Guantanamo Bay, Vieques, Spain, the Azores and Guam? At a time when the man actually ran the company? Bullshit? Yes, I think so. [edit]thread edited by Vikki[/edit]




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#30 16 years ago
L337-FuFirst of all Azh, the Taliban were always some of most evil people in the world. Not just for a couple of years.[/QUOTE] agreed, but to the greater population of the world they were an insignificant outfit in an insignificant country. the only became important when Bush's buddies were denied access. then it's a different story.

L337-FuNone of the terrorists came from Afghanistan? What kind of junk is this, I would have thought better from you.[/QUOTE] yes. none of the terrorists were from Afghanistan, there was also no proof that Osama is/was there. if he was, why haven't the glorious US military uber-techno-power found him yet? if this was about Terror then why not just go in and find him and leave the Taliban well alone? because regime change was necessary because of these 'evil people'? bullshit. The Taliban were not so evil when they fought your dirty war against the Soviets. the irony of the dog that bites the hand that feeds it.

the majority of the Hijackers were Saudi Arabians, just like Osama Bin Laden himself. hey, maybe Osama is there. would make sense wouldn't it. why not invade the KSA too!

L337-FuYou attack an enemy where its headquarters and where all of its resources are located at, not where the leader happened to have been born.[/QUOTE] what HQ? what resources? a Terrorist Group is the enemy. surely we must be able to agree that Al-Queda is the true enemy, not some "bombed to hell, let's bomb them some more" third-rate nation without the means to defend itself. the 'war on terror' (aka Bush's Pension) is without boundaries or physical barriers. you cannot attack their HQ, because such a thing does not exist! there are training camps all over the deserts of Morrocco, Eygyt, Syria, Lebenon. this is one helluva global operation Bush is taking on. so, i ask you. why not invade these countries too? oh, that's right, because The Taliban (old allies, hired guns, call it what you wish) were 'evil'.

L337-FuBush never offered any proof that Osama bin Laden was behind the attacks? AzH, just what is that supposed to mean anyway? Are you insinuating bin Laden was not responsible for the attacks? Excuse me if your not, but thats what it looks like.[/QUOTE] read what you like into what you see. it was supposed to mean exactly what i said: [Bush] never offered any proof saying it's a "secret".

[QUOTE=L337-Fu]You need proof from the president to understand that Osama bin Laden as the head of Al-Qaeda directed an Al-Qaeda attack on the US... ...our intelligence was open for the whole world to see, there was no hiding of information because no information needed to be hidden!

something would be pertinent around this time when the current administration's actions are in doubt. it's going the same way with Saddam. "he has WMDs" - "Where?" - "It's regime change we fight for." yeah, righty-ho Mr. Bush. and i'm the Tooth Fairy.

as for (contradiction in terms) 'intelligence', how the hell was it open to all? would you classify telling the world shit you need to formulate a strategy as sound military action?

[QUOTE=L337-Fu]Anyone who requires proof for Osama bin Ladens involvement in 9/11 is either closing their eyes to the truth of the matter or simply searching for any means to make the President look bad.

if only you knew how Eyes Wide Shut that sounds. :uhm: do you think Bush needed proof? or did he just pull the idea out of a paper bag like he did the WMD crap?

[QUOTE=L337-Fu]Dick Cheney recieved 30 billion dollars from Haliburton when he left? I think it is obvious the deal went to Haliburton because its the most capable and worthy company for handling the job.

Good Lord!! the Pipeline contract was awarded to an Argentinian company. did they suddenly become less capable? are you denying the link between Bush, his cronies, and the Oil Companies? before you respond consider this:

* We have a new government in Afghanistan. The leader of that government formerly worked for UNOCAL (Hamid Karrzai). * Bush appoints a special envoy to represent the US to deal with that new government, who formerly was the "chief consultant to UNOCAL". * The Bush family acquired their wealth through oil. * Bush's Secretary of Interior was the President of an oil company before going to Washington. * George Bush Sr. now works with the "Carlysle Group" specializing in huge oil investments around the world. * Condoleezza Rice worked for Chevron before going to Washington. Chevron named one of its newest "supertankers" after Condoleezza.

consider also, Bush's donations from ENRON, Cheney & Haliburton. if you cannot see the HUGE Bush interest in all things OIL, then YOU, my friend, are blind. open your eyes and realise that everything you see on Faux News is loaded with crap, that you'll NEVER get the truth from Bush.

[QUOTE=L337-Fu]Bullshit? Yes, I think so.

...and you are entitled to that opinion.

AzH