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emonkies

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#21 16 years ago

When was the last time Isreal faced a modern competent Army on the battlefield?

October 1973. And what happened when the Isreali Army mobilized to meet the threat? they got their ass handed to them and suffered heavy casulties til they finally got the upper hand. Isreal has not been content to just sit around. And if Isreal is happy with the F-16 then why did they spend millions of dollars developing the Lavi only to cancel it due to cost overruns and then sell the technology to China. Isreal's main workhorse is not the F-16 but the F-15. The F-15 replaced the F-4 in the air superiority role and the F-16 replaced the Kfir C2 and the A4M Skyhawk in the fighter bomber role.

Also some of the F-16 fleet is approaching the 25 yr old mark and some of the Navy F-18's are approaching the 20 year old mark and the Marines AV-8B is approaching the 25 year old mark. The JSF will eventually replace all of these but it will not be online til after 2010 meaning some of these airframes will be approaching the end of their 30-35 year lifespan.

Also the JSF incorporates some of the advances from the stealth fighter and F-22 project which enhances survivability.

And do you think Russia and China are sitting around doing nothing?

Might I direct your attention to the Chinese J-10 advanced fighter set to enter service in 2013-2015. http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/row/j-10.htm

And the Chinese Multi role fighter developedfrom the Russian MiG-33. The Chinese have advanced the performance of the airframe enough that Russia is interested in the FC-1 http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/row/fc-1.htm

And you probably already know the Chinese are building the SU-27 Flanker for their PLAAF and it is in service now.

And then there are the new Russian aircraft.

The Mig-35/1.42 http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/row/mfi.htm

and the S-37 Berkut which has thrust vectoring http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/row/s-37.htm

Both the MiG-35/1.42 and the S-37 are in the same classification as the F-22. And they have advanced missles and radar systems to match. And there is reason to believe the Russians have sold the technology of the S-37 to the Chinese.

And the Royal Navy Sea Harriers and USMC AV-8B Harriers which are approaching 20-25 years old will soon be faced with the YAK-141 Freestyle which is a Naval VTOL fighter with performance comparable to the F-16/F-18. The subsonic Harriers are excellent dogfighters and can carry sidewinders but only the Royal Navy Sea Harriers have a air search radar to launch radar guided air to air missles. In the Falklands the supersonic Mirage III'S AND Dagger III's did not have a comparable missle system. This is not true of the Russians and Chinese.

While it is true that we are only currently fighting 3rd world militaries and terrorists, the US Military needs to be prepared to fight any Military in the world, there are even scenarios where we fight our Allies. It is a preparedness study and does not mean the same thing that we will. The Royal Navy has scenarios where they fight us too.




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#22 16 years ago

well if the Uk ever fought against the US there would be a hell of a lot of "killed in actions" the scenario would probably go something like

-War declared over some stupid thing such as oil or blame for war in iraq or future wars. -America deploys bombers to destroy millitary targets in Britian such as airfields. -America deploys carriers and transport ships and sails for Britian -Britian give all this we rule the sea crap and warns the US while trying to get some help from the UN which won't work -Britian sends out submarines and sinks some american ships (first big casualties) -Us send out attach heli's planes etc and engage the royal navy practically wasting the whole fleet but a few ships -Britians remaing ships and carriers set sail and launch there harriers -Dated Harriers fly well but are totally wiped out with few american killed -Britian if angry enough will fight on if not they surrender now before britian is humiliated -Uk prepares for invasion by preparing beaches etc with mines -Airborne and seaborne invasion of Uk begins -Americans land and take the country -Commandos begin a guerilla warfare not unlike vietnam -After years of fighting in this style America withdraws leaving the Uk in ruins -Loads of kia's and some american millitary damage -Britian is left to rebuild itself and America goes into an arms frenzy -Britian gains terrorist support and terrorists attack US civillians -Britian dies -fat guy comes along and eats pie




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#23 16 years ago

That scenario is so faulty it's laughable.




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#24 16 years ago

Most Military Experts and Goverment think tanks plan scenarios and what ifs and play wargames to test the outcome. Thats not the same thing as to say we plan on going to war with Great Britain. It usually involves a estimate of what miltary power would be needed to achieve theoretical objectives and estimates of hypothetical casulties. Any war with any of the Western powers would involve heavy casulties.




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#25 16 years ago

As always "the old man" on the board have something valid to say. it's true, the military always plan ahead for all sorts of scenarios, that ensure you're not caught with your pants down in case the unthinkable happens. and it provides valuable experience. being a brass involves more than being a loadmouth and playing strip-solitary on your computer.

@Al Capone: History tells us that Great Britain is not the sort of nation to lay down and lick boots as soon as a few bombs land in their direction. The US could of course overpower it, but it's not a walk in the park(unless using nukes to make it a radioactive park). The US hasn't fought this kind of opponent since WWII(an exception could be the PVA). Here we have an opponent that is about equal in every respect except sheer brute force. the army is well-equipped, well-trained and will probably fight to the last bullet, completely unlike the trash you found in Iraq.

-Americans land and take the country

how about: Americans land....in Ireland(apparently Bush selected where the landings should take place), but since the locals spoke a strange sort of "american" they believed they have come to the right place. The irish(and half of New York) gets pissed. the IRA starts bombing random targets, bodybags starts coming home, the US population grow tired....Bush gets the boot, Arnold becomes President. Blair calls for a cease-fire(although they haven't fired a shot at eachother yet), Arnold respond: "F**k you, a**hole!". Maggie makes a comeback....The Terminator, knowing he's no match for the Iron Lady, accepts peace...and sign a statement saying he will not ever make another shitty action-movie. Everybody is happy, except for the Irish...G.I. Joe drank up all the Guinness.




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#26 16 years ago

Al Capone we are all many times more retarded now after reading your post. On another note... I, too, don't see the reason to create new extremely-high tech machines when we're fighting an enemy who throws bricks at tanks. Why fix something that isn't broken, right? (F-16, F-15, Apache, etc)




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#27 16 years ago
Witch Hunter GeneralEverybody is happy, except for the Irish...G.I. Joe drank up all the Guinness.

Thats enough to cause Ireland to declare war on the U.S. and me to be declared an Irish Sympathizer.




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#28 16 years ago
Uncle_SamAl Capone we are all many times more retarded now after reading your post.

i'm very glad to hear that son.Everyone has ridiculed what i said but no one has put up a serious suggestion of what would realy happen.I am British (scottish) and i know that our army is just as well trained as the US army but our equipment is to put it nicely out of date and crappy.Most of the stuff our army uses should have been decommisioned decades ago for example the vulcan bomber designed in the 50's was only taken out of service just before the first gulf war.... the harrier which entered service in the 60's is just now being taken out of service.The tornado is a piece of crap and all our choppers such as the lynx are slow and outdated.Our army has a crappy rifle which has a terrible performance i mean we would be outnumbered and outgunned totally




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#29 16 years ago

That's because IT WOULD NEVER HAPPEN. You don't seem to understand a scenario like that is impossible to truly guess, and also, you forget a lot of things, and also, make assumptions about british and American technology you don't understand.