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Thegoat

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#1 12 years ago

Is it just me or are new modders, skinners etc. Taking other peoples work, putting a few changes to mods and skins, and then releasing them? I hope they realize this is a slap to the community. People have poured alot of hard work into these files on SOF2 files and I dont believe they did, so others can skip the hard work part for there on benefit. I think you should all stop and think about what you are up to. Adding there name to a read me isnt respecting there work. I know some of them that made these files could be a bit rude and bigheaded, but if you look back through old post. Alot of people pushed these talented modders out the door. So quit raping files and start from scratch gentlemen. Hard work and long hours make things worth while!:moon:




Dark Saint

How many dogs are Pb'd?Maybe 2

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#2 12 years ago

Goat, if you know of any files like this and can show us, i am sure goody will have no problems pulling them off soffiles. Nothing is worse that taking someone elses hard work!!!




KeNniithhh

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#3 12 years ago

yes indeed... but if they ask permition for using it in their mod or something else and give credits in a txt or something to them, i would say they may ... but ye it isnt nice to steal some1's hard work




Sir Paul

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#4 12 years ago

The sad fact is this is going on all over the place, its not just sof2 thats being ripped.

With no law against it, and files being shared in public domain, and even if there was how would it be policed? This sort of thing will continue until some one figures out how to protect their files against Plagiarism.

In my well earned free time I have been spending a great deal of time playing FS2004 Flight sim, and have downloaded many add-on's. The authors there seem to have cracked it by having the add-on's as an .exe file, and some how the files within are like encrypted or marked against theft, maybe that could be done here also? If not then I suppose we have to rely on people having some courtesy for others.




Fragger

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#5 12 years ago

that system would be great, but i guess we'd have to purchase the software to do that. i have also been ripped off, so i wouldn't mind spending a few bucks to protect my intellectual property. is there any place we can get more info on how to do this?




Dark Saint

How many dogs are Pb'd?Maybe 2

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#6 12 years ago

Fragger ... I think you have been ripped more than anybody i know. I remember an issue about 4 years ago with it happening. When i first started playing.

Maybe we can poke around on this and see what we would need.




Goody. VIP Member

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#7 12 years ago

What a difference a few weeks make. If this had come up before I took on Soffiles my reply would have been so much different. And you could probably guess what that would have been.

But this is now and things have changed. Plagiarism is a no-no and I can only do so much to stop it. However each file has to be taken on its own merit. If Soffiles removed or rejected every file that had a similarity to another then a lot of files would not get through.

We have seen maps based on stock maps released Sir Paul's shop roof (I asked for that one thanks m8) ChrisZ's Jor1 mirrored are just 2 examples. Are they wrong because there based on someone else's work and released without written permission from Raven. Or do I just accept that they originals were used as a template.

There has been 2 new mods posted in the last 2 days. 1 for single player and 1 for multi player. Both admit to using part or the whole of other peoples work but there both there on Soffiles now. Because on these forums and other people have said many times that they would like to see a bit from this and a bit from that to make something new. That's all these new mods have done.

Having said that though if a file is a direct rip off with no credit given in the readme than that's a different story. I don't know every file on Soffiles I don't think any one does. So sometimes a rip off might get through but the members there are usually fast to point that out. And a member submitting such a file are subject to the policies there. Namely

Q: So what are the consequences for plagiarizing?

A: We will reject your file and let you know how you plagiarized and how you can correct your error. However if you consistently plagiarize we reserve the right to ban you and/or your IP from the network, so try to remember to give credit where credit is due.

Meaning it would be within my powers to remove there file/s, Warn them or even ban them from the network.

I do agree that it needs to be stopped. But we are only human and rely on the members there a lot. Meaning that if you suspect you have been a victim of plagiarism then report it to me. I will look into it and deal with accordingly




Dark Saint

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#8 12 years ago

You can see when the work is sooo similar that it is just too close for words. I have seen it and i am no pro on modeling or modding.

When we see it , we take care of it. When people ask us to look at something, we do so. They can ask no more than that m8.




Sir Paul

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#9 12 years ago

Also just sending a simple e-mail is not good enough, like goody said above, if all the suspect files were removed soffiles would be pretty empty.

I receive a number of e-mails in a week ( well used to) asking for files to be removed, with no proof what so ever that they were ripped. If you feel you have been a victim of plagiarizing, then please follow the instructions in our policy.

If your work has been plagiarized and you wish it to be removed, contact the site administrator or any FileFront network administrator. You must be able to prove the material originally belonged to you. Also provide a link to the plagiarized file, so we can note the author for future reference.



Fragger

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#10 12 years ago

well, taking a file and making your own version is fine, as long as you give credit to the original creator. im sure paul and chris did that anyway. however, there are people who take your files and change the color or add a flag or something lame like that and claim them as theirs. some give you credit after they're busted, but some even say you're the one who stole their stuff.