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Graytail_the_Shaman

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#1 11 years ago

Yeah I'm fairly new to the whole FileFront Community so yeah try not to be to harsh on me this is just my first idea. Basicly really all I have for the idea is some backstory and a general idea of what it will include. Any way here we go. Basic Mod Idea: This mod is for short and simple a total conversion into a far of future of star trek with a few new races and several current races blended together to make a new race. So far the races would be a renamed Federation witch would include (Old Federation, Cardassians, Romulans[Undecided], Ferengi [Undecided], Klingons (With possible Romulan intergration if not part of Federation of course), A Brand New Dominion (Includes of course Jem'hadar[sorry if any thing is missed spelled just throwing the idea out at the moment] Breen likly a few more races), Possibly a renewed Borg, And one or two more original races maybe even more thats to be decided. As well as an entirly new campaign and larger maps and several other small things like better ship to ship ratio and ship to station ratio. Better looking and more accurate weapons and sheild apperence to the shows and movies. Likly other little easter eggs too.

The Backstory so Far: The Stardate is 877000.001 (Equally as the date January 1st, 3200 at the stroke of midnight.). Peace has been seen through out the past hundreds of years sense the elimination of the borg and the put down of the dominion and several other up and coming problems through out the universe. A treaty has been signed by all known races forbiding the use of time travel technology. The joining of The Federation and Cardassians and several other races and Empires under the same banner as given birth to a new Federation. The Klingons didn't agree to this and have become secluded and secretive much like the romulans where. They have fortified there borders and increased there ship production. The Dominion have formed a new wormhole into the Alpha Quadrant. They have come back stronger and more aggresive. War is in the air and space. With this rumor of war new cultures and races from a unknown region of space have decided to show there faces to stake a claim in the impending conflict.

well thats it so far I still have alot of planning to do. I'm looking for any help anyone can provide. I don't know much about modding really but I plan to learn and get this underway asap hopefully. So feel free to drop me a messege or a comment on here and tell me what your think or offer your help. Please dont critize me to bad I know theres a bunch of spelling errors and several other things that dont make alot of sense but I'm kinda new to this.




AdmarilRyan

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#2 11 years ago

The problem with a mod set that far in the future is that it is well within the period where there is controled time travel. However if you want to make it is an interesting idea but bare in mind starting modding with a large project lead by yourself is gunna be difficult, maybe you should learn to mod first (this will help) and then maybe find a project to join and improve your abilities before attempted a large scale project yourself.




Admiral_Icehawk

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#3 11 years ago

Good concept and story but still you are lacking in many areas of detail here are some questions, you will probably have to adress before even starting to make the mod.

Ships 1. What do Fed ships look like, really big and uber like the ENT-J or small like the Aeon pod, same with the other race. 2. What is the general ship design multi hull like the enterprise or single hull like the defiant. 3. Are they all white and clean like the current ships or black and mysterious like the 29th century stuff 4. What is the generally style of combat and weapons beam, pusle or torpedo. 5. Time travel is illgegal and maybe even through some implemented scientific method, impossible but What other technologies are avalible like quatum slipstream are all ships going to have it. 6. How many crew are required to run a ship, does a battleship come with 100 crew or 10000 or does it only have one pilot.

Races 1. If the Feds and many of their enemies are now allies in a new federation are their starships still different because we have seen examples in Trek where races join together and they lose they're unique starship designs, like the Vulcans when they joined the Federation.

Modding 1. How much modding experience do you have, can you make models, odfs or sprites? 2. Will there be voices because voices require voice actors (people with microphones and spare time), one voice games and movies sound stupid except with the borg.

I'm not being harsh on you but like AdmiralRyan said if your going to make a huge mod and your new to modding it is going to be difficult.

Also what do you mean by "Air and Space" are you thinking of making an air battle map with like a sky background?




Adam_Atlantian

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#4 11 years ago

First you need programs. Milkshape or 3d Sudio max. some sort of texture program. I use irfanview and paint shop pro that is about to expire. There plenty of turorials and thie first thing you need is the Big Book of Modding. (The Modder Bible) It's not that hard. The first modding I did was the SOP and I've done it all by myself. (except for the stuff I borrowed from other mods) try kitbashing. It's a fun way to get started. Good luck and i'm sure you'll pick it up in no time. :)




Admiral_Icehawk

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#5 11 years ago

The great thing about Trek is kitbashing doesn't look cheap because they do it on the show.

If your going to model start with MS3D you can download a trial then if you like it, it only costs twenty bucks, most A2 moddelers use it. SSA, MaP, Greathor and ColdDarkParanoia to name a few. I myself use it. 3DS studio max is better in some ways but it is very expensive and if A2 modelling in the only real modelling you are going to do with it, then it is not worth getting.

Here is a hint about modelling, have you ever seen the Simpsons episode where the painting guy tell Marge that you have to see things as simple geometric shape to paint them modelling is exactly that imagine what you want convert it into shapes then put them together.

I hear that Gimp 2.0 is a good texture making software and its free, least thats what my friend tell me.

The best way in my opinion is to download other mods and learn how they work, thats how I learned most of the stuff, except modelling that was MaP's tutorial and trial and error.




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#6 11 years ago

Graytail_the_Shaman;3551678Yeah I'm fairly new to the whole FileFront Community so yeah try not to be to harsh on me this is just my first idea. Basicly really all I have for the idea is some backstory and a general idea of what it will include. Any way here we go. Basic Mod Idea: This mod is for short and simple a total conversion into a far of future of star trek with a few new races and several current races blended together to make a new race. So far the races would be a renamed Federation witch would include (Old Federation, Cardassians, Romulans[Undecided], Ferengi [Undecided], Klingons (With possible Romulan intergration if not part of Federation of course), A Brand New Dominion (Includes of course Jem'hadar[sorry if any thing is missed spelled just throwing the idea out at the moment] Breen likly a few more races), Possibly a renewed Borg, And one or two more original races maybe even more thats to be decided. As well as an entirly new campaign and larger maps and several other small things like better ship to ship ratio and ship to station ratio. Better looking and more accurate weapons and sheild apperence to the shows and movies. Likly other little easter eggs too.

The Backstory so Far: The Stardate is 877000.001 (Equally as the date January 1st, 3200 at the stroke of midnight.). Peace has been seen through out the past hundreds of years sense the elimination of the borg and the put down of the dominion and several other up and coming problems through out the universe. A treaty has been signed by all known races forbiding the use of time travel technology. The joining of The Federation and Cardassians and several other races and Empires under the same banner as given birth to a new Federation. The Klingons didn't agree to this and have become secluded and secretive much like the romulans where. They have fortified there borders and increased there ship production. The Dominion have formed a new wormhole into the Alpha Quadrant. They have come back stronger and more aggresive. War is in the air and space. With this rumor of war new cultures and races from a unknown region of space have decided to show there faces to stake a claim in the impending conflict.

well thats it so far I still have alot of planning to do. I'm looking for any help anyone can provide. I don't know much about modding really but I plan to learn and get this underway asap hopefully. So feel free to drop me a messege or a comment on here and tell me what your think or offer your help. Please dont critize me to bad I know theres a bunch of spelling errors and several other things that dont make alot of sense but I'm kinda new to this.

In my opinion, your taking on a little to much to early. :)

Projects this size take years and large teams of dedicated modders, you are looking at building something like 50 new ships and stations and that is hard work, even for experianced moddellers.

Rather than try and make new ships and stations consider using ones that are already available on the site. You can use anything on the site providing you get permission from the author first, most authors are happy to give permission to use their stuff.




Graytail_the_Shaman

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#7 11 years ago

Thanks for all the feedback guys. I will look around for these programs and such and slowly play with them till I have a good understanding of it and all. To answer you more specifically Admiral_Icehawk with that list of questions you said I should think about before starting the mod I kinda have a few answers for more detailed information. For size of ships the more powerful the ship such as an example a Battle Ship is going to be fairly huge to a scout craft sense most scout crafts are shuttle size so basicly I guess I want a big ship big enough to make it look like a shuttle sized craft could dock with it. I will probably go for a mixture of multi hull to single hulled craft for every race to add flavor and choice. With the mixing of several races into the federation I dont think I will have them loose there ship design and technology but rather intergrate it into brand new ship designs with a mix of the different technologies. I'm sure it be interesting to have ships with personal wormhole generators or slipstreams but I dont think that every ship will have it I may reserve it for smaller ships or maybe medium sized vessels like crusiers corvets etc. I want to make weapons and combat of course more future star trek but I want them to more accurate to the original shows and movies so instead of the disruipter pulse being like is know I want it to be like for klingons green and looks fairly similar to the ones from the show. For combat wise I dont want it to be like Armada 2 how you could build mass amounts of ships and send them in in a big rush and wipe the enemy out but more like it would take a fleet of smaller class vesels to take down a battleship though the fleet would take heavy losses. The whole sky and space comment in the backstory was just kinda like most phrases like "Love is in the air." I just wanted to be like that but with Space. But now that you mention something it may make and interesting map for the campaign or just a random map. It would end up being purly ships only cause I doubt you would just see a spacestation floating in the middle of the sky. Oh well it is far future so there could be sky stations I suppose and the map would be more fighter shuttle craft battle oreinted. Any way there is still alot for me to think of and consider plus I need more experince in modding and modeling and several other feilds to have a basic understanding of what I'm doin. Yet again thank you for your feedback I'm sure I will post on this thread alot to update my idea and how my modding skills are coming along. So if anyone has any ideas they would like to share to improve my mod idea I'm welcome to them. As well as any more tips and advise you would like to give it be greatly apreciated.




Admiral_Icehawk

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#8 11 years ago

Ooh if you want a good quick mod idea for sprites you could use a TGA editing program like Adobe Photoshop or Gimp to change around the weapon colors so federation ships could blue pulse phasers or something.

You've got a good idea with the whole "not have millions of ships" I have to admit I do hate having to win by constantly clicking on a build button, it is esspecially annoying if your ship is from a mod and there is no keyboard short cut. I would be interesting to play a mod where a battleship is actually a really valuable ship whose loss could affect the outcome of a battle.




Graytail_the_Shaman

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#9 11 years ago

Admiral_Icehawk feel free to colaberate with me if you want at all as a side thing to any mods you may currently be working on. I could use help from an experinced modder till I can get on my feet. You have been most helpful and I have put alot of thought into other small things and more depth into other things from the questions you left me witch lead to more questions that I answered in my head. I plan to find a moddling program if I dont have one already on my computer this weekend likly sometime tomorow and likly get my feet wet to saying I have time of course. I currently have Adobe photoshop and I use it every time I have a digital project for my photography.




Graytail_the_Shaman

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#10 11 years ago

I have a bit of an update just a few minor adjustments to the backstory and basic Idea. So here we are.

The Backstory so Far: The Stardate is 877000.001 (Equally as the date January 1st, 3200 at the stroke of midnight.). Its been hundreds of years sense Janeway, Sisco, Picard have all been on there journeys through the universe saving the Federation from certain distruction and makeing relations with the major empires of the universe. The New Federation(Still lacking a newer name cant think of a good quality one.) has now signed a treaty with Cardassian, Romulan, and several other small alein races and intergrated them into the federation under a new banner and name. There technology intelgence and ship designs have all been intergrated to make stronger more prodcutive ships for several purposes. After the signing of this new major power the klingons refused to sign the Klingons become very secluded much like the romulans had been for hundreds of years. Closing there borders to outside visitation they fortified there borders with defense stations, Detection Grids, and New improved and never before seen cloaked ships. Just recently the Dominion returned trhough a wormhole they themselves created. With new ships and technology and a few new allies and there old freinds the Breen. With there return and a strong foothold back in the alpha quadrant war has been brewing through out this new federation, Klingons and Dominion. In this time of uncertainty three new races have come to the alpha quadrant to stack a claim. (names and better describtions pending sense I have no clue what just yet). All that is known of these new races is that they are from a far off unknown section of space. ( Not sure where I will make them come from likly either put some personal twist like a new quadrant or maybe an alternate demension or something like that.) What will happen next an all out war of these 6 Powers, or an alliance between the three old foes to take on the three new faces into the alpha quadrant?(not sure on the exact way it will turn out for the campaign. Thinking more along the lines of an all out war each race for its own. Though that might make the New Federation a bit stronger then everyone else sense its Caradassin Romulan and Old Federation all in one.)

So the General Idea: The General idea is a total conversion/additional race kind of blend. Featureing an all new campaign. All new ships,stations,races, and technologies. A more accurate ship to station and ship to ship ratio. So a ship will no longer be about half the size of a station if its not supposed to be. Fighter and shuttles wont look like there not able to dock with bigger ships like battleships. More accurate looking weapons and sheilding. Better combat and different resourceing. No more building millions of ships till the cap is full and then rushing your enemy. Now it will be a free cap but build times will be longer as the ships get bigger and stronger. Ships will have disadvantages and advantages. It will take fleets apon fleets to take down things like battlestations. Strategy will acctually come into play and resources will become a managment project all its own. By no means will every race have the same advantages or disadvantages but each ship will have its own individual weakness and strength. (Up in the air thoughts, Trying to make maps bigger then they are now, Atmosphere battles/Campaign or Instant battle map or not at all?, Trading posts for each race as well neutral trading posts armed with weapons and there own defense grids as well as ships, Improved A.I. to make games more interesting, Features that will prevent rushing as a strategy.)

Well thats the update so far some of it I made up as I was doing it just now but most was through out the day thoughts. Thanks for keeping up those of you following this and welcome to my idea for those of you just reading it. Any help will be accepted and appreciated for I'm kind of a beginner modder myself I will work on little things little by little as my mod skills kick up and I can work on this better and with good quality and time.

Estimated time till ready for acctually modding: A few months Estimated Time till modd is complete: IDK?!