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archerscott

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#11 12 years ago

Why not do your own scales? Like every-one says, there's lots of websites, books and debates over sizing - why not add your own to the mix? That way the big ships will be as big as you want and the smaller ones could be seen. MODs are personal things and according to the taste of the creator - the only thing is you have to hope every-one else likes it too!! :D




AdmarilRyan

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#12 12 years ago

Only the largest ships are the real problem causes. You can keep everything up to the size of a D'Deridex to a cannonish scale (no need to be exact). As we all know the borg cube in first contact is massive, but the borg cubes in voyager appear much smaller. You could even argue that they are little longer than the D'Deridex from your point of view if you get my drift. These could also be very hard to make ships. The Tactical Cube is again the same story. When it comes to making a cube the size of the one in first contact, make it extordinarily hard to get. If you have ever played the Starwars Fleet Command mod, you'll know that SSDs take up two or three screens sizes, but you are lucky if you are able to build even one in a game. As omnipotent as the borg seem, you will notice that you never seen more than one cube of that size at any time. On that principle to have it as a only appearing once ship is not unrealistic.

Another thing you can do is adjust the camera settings to allow you to zoom in closer and further away from units, that means that units can be smaller but you can get to the same level of detail as you would were they at typical A2 size and you could zoom further out to get a better understanding of the scale of a full size massive ship. Also maps would need to grow to compenstate for the shear size of a ship like that.

The camera settings are in the ART_CFG.h file, I haven't messed with them too much and I will warn you that doing what I just sudgested could have the effect of significantly increasing the requirements of the computer playing the mod as when fully zoomed out the game may have a lot more to render. Still if your willing to fiddle with the settings and you are set on proper scaling then it maybe worth your time.




kel333

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#13 12 years ago

Everyone says the Warbird's "twice the size of the Galaxy". Does that mean twice the length, or twice the mass?




Chiletrek

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#14 12 years ago

Hello: I think it is twice the lenght, since in most part states that D'deridex double the lenght of a Galaxy Class (1042 meters against 641 meters of the Galaxy). Another problem resulting is if we want to reennact battles like the ones in the war between the Borg and Species 8472, because Borg Cubes has 3036 meters each side against the 200 meters long of the bioships.:eek:




AdmarilRyan

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#15 12 years ago

A galaxy can just fit inside the space between the top part and bottom part of a warbird but I wouldn't try getting it out again once it is in there.




Major A Payne

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#16 12 years ago

Ash. In canon trek theres two ships which have always been conjecture as to their sizes. The Warbird being one and the Defiant is the other. I would suggest resizing them to your own needs but keep a more realistic feel to the known sizes.




Avon

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#17 12 years ago
kel333;3521045Everyone says the Warbird's "twice the size of the Galaxy". Does that mean twice the length, or twice the mass?

Actually, the only canon reference for a warbird was in the Next Gen. episode where we first meet one. We are told it is 4 times the mass of the Enterprise. This has led people to assume it must be aproximately twice the length. (dont ask me why) All in all, I agree with Major. Get all the established sizes correct, and then size the Warbird to suit your tastes. For the Defiant, I always go with First Contact, and the Voyager ep where we see 2 of them escorting a Nebula.




Flash525

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#18 12 years ago
IKS_YO_MAMA;3514006I know there are plenty of sites out there to have a gawk at but in all fairness Ash - Bernt Schneider's http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/fleet-charts.htm is very accurate! Look through his site, he has webpages upon webpages to back up his charts!
Majest;3514497In the end scaling in Armada can not be as accurate as some of us would like including myself. Its a bumber. I also agree with IKS_Yo_Mama, Bernt Schneider's site is one of the best out there. There is also another one out there but I have forgotten its name, but that site mainly deals with cross show scaling, which is quite handly for me but not so much for you.[/quote][/quote]His site is one I'm always going to for resources, I can't fault it, and agree that he knows his stuff. I was just looking around other places too. A lot of people have said about the D'Deridex doubling the Galaxy.
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[/quote]I foresee problems having scales like that. Hence why I started this thread to find a work-around.
archerscott;3520652Why not do your own scales? Like every-one says, there's lots of websites, books and debates over sizing - why not add your own to the mix? MODs are personal things and according to the taste of the creator - the only thing is you have to hope every-one else likes it too!! :D[/quote]Whilst you have a very nice and good point, I want to try and stick with Trek to a point :p
AdmarilRyan;3520703Only the largest ships are the real problem causes. You can keep everything up to the size of a D'Deridex to a cannonish scale (no need to be exact). As we all know the borg cube in first contact is massive, but the borg cubes in voyager appear much smaller. You could even argue that they are little longer than the D'Deridex from your point of view if you get my drift. These could also be very hard to make ships. The Tactical Cube is again the same story. When it comes to making a cube the size of the one in first contact, make it extordinarily hard to get.[/quote]Cubes will be hard to get yes, and will require a lot of crew. I'm more worried about them moving around the map than I am their tech level at the moment however.
AdmarilRyan;3520703Another thing you can do is adjust the camera settings to allow you to zoom in closer and further away from units, that means that units can be smaller but you can get to the same level of detail as you would were they at typical A2 size and you could zoom further out to get a better understanding of the scale of a full size massive ship. Also maps would need to grow to compenstate for the shear size of a ship like that. The camera settings are in the ART_CFG.h file, I haven't messed with them too much and I will warn you that doing what I just sudgested could have the effect of significantly increasing the requirements of the computer playing the mod as when fully zoomed out the game may have a lot more to render. Still if your willing to fiddle with the settings and you are set on proper scaling then it maybe worth your time.
I'll look into that. Thanks! :) [quote=kel333;3521045]Everyone says the Warbird's "twice the size of the Galaxy". Does that mean twice the length, or twice the mass?
Perhalps they do mean the mass... [quote=Chiletrek;3521063] I think it is twice the lenght, since in most part states that D'deridex double the lenght of a Galaxy Class (1042 meters against 641 meters of the Galaxy). Another problem resulting is if we want to reennact battles like the ones in the war between the Borg and Species 8472, because Borg Cubes has 3036 meters each side against the 200 meters long of the bioships.:eek:
[quote=AdmarilRyan;3521811]A galaxy can just fit inside the space between the top part and bottom part of a warbird but I wouldn't try getting it out again once it is in there.
If a Galaxy could fit in, then it would back up the fact that the D'Deridex is about twice the size. [quote=Major A Payne;3522137]Ash. In canon trek theres two ships which have always been conjecture as to their sizes. The Warbird being one and the Defiant is the other. I would suggest resizing them to your own needs but keep a more realistic feel to the known sizes.
I'd also add the Sabre, Steamrunner, Norway & Akira to that list. [quote=Avon;3522484]For the Defiant, I always go with First Contact, and the Voyager ep where we see 2 of them escorting a Nebula.

escorting a Nebula in Voyager? - What episode was that? I'm getting the impression you mean Message in a Bottle, and you meant the Akira over the Nebula. If so, even then, the Defiants seem bigger than one would imagine them to be.




Avon

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#19 12 years ago
SupaStarAsh;3523316 escorting a Nebula in Voyager? - What episode was that? I'm getting the impression you mean Message in a Bottle, and you meant the Akira over the Nebula. If so, even then, the Defiants seem bigger than one would imagine them to be.

:rolleyes: You're right of course, it was an Akira. But who's to say how big an Akira is? th_defiant.jpg




Majestic-MSFC

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#20 12 years ago

Problem with a lot of CGI ships these days, they usually get the scaling wrong. Have a look at some stargate episode to see what I mean. I say Ash, just go with your best judgement, I will be happy with that as I am sure most people who download the mod will be.