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LineBoreal

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#1 7 years ago

I need help defining the differences between heavy cruisers, battlecruisers, and battleships. I know heavy cruisers should have slightly weaker defenses and weapons than battleships. So are battlecruisers ships with battleship firepower, but only cruiser defenses? I ask because I've tried this in my install and thet all seem over-powered. Alternativly, would it work if a battlecruiser's firepower was in-between heavy cruisers and battleships (keeping their lower-than usual defenses)? Thoughts?




k_merse

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#2 7 years ago

It's very hard to specify this in theory. Could you give us some examples? I think a heavy cruiser is a second-line ship if there is a battleship in the fleet, while a battlecruiser could be used either as a learder of a task group (like a battleship) or as a second-line ship, (like a crusier). For this I'd give it somehow a mixture of weapons. For example torpedoes with the same power as a cruiser but battleship phasers, battleship-like hull strength but cruiser-like weapon system HP etc.




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#3 7 years ago

Historically, a battlecruiser has a cruiser's defenses and speed but a battleship's armament. So they're more than a match for other cruisers but not for other battleships, against whom they can't slug it out over the long term.

And the only real significant difference between weights of cruisers has to do with their relative armaments. Light cruisers and heavy cruisers have the same defenses and speeds but vary in armament. Usually light cruisers can do EW or other specialized roles as well, making special weapons a good idea. And frigates are another concept entirely.

How you choose to balance this in-game is obviously dependent on a number of factors, but hopefully this helped.




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#4 7 years ago

I'm not an expert on TOS but wasn't a D7 a close match to a Constitution? D7 - ''Klingon Battlecruiser'' Constitution - Heavy Cruiser Assuming the D7 had the edge in firepower and the Connie had the edge in shielding would that mean battlecruisers aren't all that powerful (not as powerful as a battleship)?




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#5 7 years ago

The problem with comparing the Connie to a D7 is the same as it would be here on Earth. Different people have different ideas about what each classification should be. For example, the Klingons concidered the D7 a battlecruiser, the Federation just concidered them a cruiser. The klingons concidered a refit Connie a battlecruiser (STIII:TSFS), while the Federation concider them a heavy cruiser (also STIII). So the final analsis is, what makes sence to you? That's the one to go with :)




AlDaja

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#6 7 years ago

Star Trek ship defenses, maneuverability, etc. are mirrored off of US NAVY and Coast Guard vessels if that helps you any. Typically a Saber Class (frigate) would not have the same fire power as a Steamrunner Class (heavy frigate/destroyer) for example. Memory Alpha is a good place to go to give you some basic ship information (including abilities) on most vessels commonly used on the TV shows/novels/games.

There are variation to ship classifications, but typically they are laid out in this order:

Scout Frigate Heavy Frigate Destroyer Heavy Destroyer Light Cruiser Cruiser Heavy Cruiser Battlecruiser Dreadnaught Battleship

I'm not an expert on TOS but wasn't a D7 a close match to a Constitution? D7 - ''Klingon Battlecruiser'' Constitution - Heavy Cruiser Assuming the D7 had the edge in firepower and the Connie had the edge in shielding would that mean battlecruisers aren't all that powerful (not as powerful as a battleship)?

Traditionally, Klingon's are better on offense and not so much on defense. A D7 was comparable to a Constitution and is lethal at close range and more maneuverable, but is not able to hold out against a Constitution class in sustained combat. Federation ships have better shields and are able to do more damage to enemy targets with sustained phaser barrages due to better warp power outputs.




k_merse

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#7 7 years ago

And don't forget that the Federation uses mostly phasers which give almost full coverage, while Klingons use mostly disruptors which are traditionally linked forward (and backwards in some cases) only,. So a federation ship can deal its maximum damage at almost any angle, while a Klingon ship is most lethal if it's facing directly to the enemy. This is more obvious on early Romulan ships, where weapons were limited and almost always faced forward. The reason is also obvious: They usually sneaked on the blind spot of the enemy and decloaked and fired immediately.




AssimilateThis

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#8 7 years ago

The Naval Definition is as folow:-

Frigate (small gun, no armour, slow speed. used for ASW mainly) Destroyer (small guns, no armour, high speed, torpedo tubes and ASW capable) Cruiser (small to medium guns, light to medium armour, high speed) Battlecruiser (big guns, light armour, high speed) Battleship (big guns, heavy armour, medium speed)

Not all class's of ship in each category follows the pattern tho. There are loads of types of cruiser (Heavy, Light, Armoured, Protected, Scout and Large and the modern guided missile cruiser)

---OFFENCE--- CLASS Hitting Range DEFENCE SPEED AGILITY CREW

Frigate * 1 1 0 2 2 60 Destroyer * 1 1 0 5 5 120 Cruiser (light) * 2 2 2 5 4 600 Cruiser (heavy) * 3 3 3 4 3 800 Battlecruiser * 5 5 3 4 3 1400 Battleship * 5 5 5 3 2 1250

The term Dreadnought defines the type of Battleship (Dreadnought or Pre-Dreadnought). The term capital ship means both Battleship and Battlecruiser). Heavy Cruiser invented by Washington Treaty of 1921 to compensate for cancelled capital ships. Light Cruiser derived from identifying Royal Navy Town and "C" class Cruisers from older obscelete Scouts and Protected cruisers. Armoured Cruiser were regarded as 2nd rate battleship (battle of Tsushima). Protected Cruiser was to slow for most duties and was redundant and scrapped after WWI. Scout Cruiser was to small and replaced by the versatile Light cruisers during WWI. Large Cruiser was invented by the US to counter similiar sized vessels that were ordered by Japan (basically WWI size Battlecruisers). Battlecruiser was a term used by British Press, and were deployed erroreanously as 2nd rate Battleships (and Blow Up alot in battle).

Dont Know if This helps...




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#9 7 years ago

Thanks for all the help guys. Now I have a reasonable (hopefully balanced) weapon strength chart.