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Nibinrog

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#91 12 years ago

Whatever...




NSAdonis

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#92 12 years ago
The.Grand.Nagus;4628330I meant your attitude, but I cant help but laugh at the fact that your so desperate to prove me wrong that your looking up quotes :lol:

[COLOR=DarkGreen] Start acting like a grown up or GTH outta here. Kids...sorry...Ferengi like you are the parasites here. Instead of having any valid points in this conversation whatsoever, you just move in circles. You can play dumb, making childish brat comments all you want, but in the end, it's your funeral, not ours, and if you cannot accept where you went wrong what atleast a dozen of us have brought to your attention, then again...your funeral.

And if you won't conquer this stupid egomaniac complex of yours, then do all of humanity a favor, and erase yourself from the gene pool.[/COLOR]




The.Grand.Nagus

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#93 12 years ago
NSAdonis;4628344 [COLOR=darkgreen]Start acting like a grown up or GTH outta here. Kids...sorry...Ferengi like you are the parasites here. Instead of having any valid points in this conversation whatsoever, you just move in circles. You can play dumb, making childish brat comments all you want, but in the end, it's your funeral, not ours, and if you cannot accept where you went wrong what atleast a dozen of us have brought to your attention, then again...your funeral.[/COLOR] [COLOR=darkgreen]And if you won't conquer this stupid egomaniac complex of yours, then do all of humanity a favor, and erase yourself from the gene pool.[/COLOR]

I love it when people tell someone else to act like a grown up and then proceed to say something completely childish in the same post :rofl:




elminster

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#94 12 years ago

Hmm, lets see, people have been modding games for what? decades. And how many times have those modders been persued by the studios for IP theft? I don't know, do you? Have you done any research to support your assertion?

The fact that modding (and moddeling in particular) is so prevelent, speaks to the fact that they couldn't give a rats rear end about modding as long as no money is made from it.

Otherwise the modding communites for various games would never have started, let alone flourished.

If your going to argue a point, do some research, use some common sense, and take the blinkers off your eyes that stop you seeing any point of view other than your own.

Creative rights are another matter entirely and different from IP. In the startrek world at least, creative rights aren't enforced, which means that fan made content can exist, even if it reproduces IP.

It is therefor not unreasonable for those putting in the effort of reproducing this material for the gamers benefit (and who are not allowed to gain monetarily from their efforts), to have people ask for permission when using their work.

I fail to see what is hypocritical about any of it. Their effort, their right.

Have a good day.

El.




The.Grand.Nagus

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#95 12 years ago
elminster;4628990The fact that modding (and moddeling in particular) is so prevelent, speaks to the fact that they couldn't give a rats rear end about modding as long as no money is made from it.

According to your logic, the fact that *insert any number of crimes here* is so prevelent means that society "couldn't give a rats rear end" about them. No, I'm afraid something being prevelent doesnt mean its ok to do. And just so we're clear, I am not saying that using Paramount's designs without their permission is illegal, nor am I saying it is "wrong". What I AM saying is: A) Paramount has NOT given people permission to copy and distribute their ship designs B) Anyone who makes a model of Paramount's ships does so without their permission C) If you are going to use someone else's work without their permission, dont demand that people ask your permission to use your work.




elminster

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#96 12 years ago

Erm, no. Where'd you get this from?

A: Its Paramount's right to enforce Creative limitations if they choose. Laws aren't absolute, if they don't enforce these rights then that's their perogative.

B: That's normally a given unless there is a specific license in effect.

C: Your missing the point, there is a distinction between Creative rights and IP. IP is the 'design' or 'style'. What we are talking about is Creative rights. So the effort taken to produce someone else's IP gives the creator some say as to its use. The proviso from the IP holder being that no money is made from it.

Suggest you do some research.




The.Grand.Nagus

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#97 12 years ago
elminster;4629046Its Paramount's right to enforce Creative limitations if they choose. Laws aren't absolute, if they don't enforce these rights then that's their perogative.[/quote] Just because they may not actively enforce it does not mean they have given people permission to use their ships and distribute them. The fact is, they have not.
elminster;4629046That's normally a given unless there is a specific license in effect.
Which is why all of Paramount's IP is copyrighted. And a copyright does NOT mean "you can use our designs if you dont proffit", it means "you cannot use our designs at ALL without our permission". [quote=elminster;4629046]Your missing the point, there is a distinction between Creative rights and IP.

No matter what you want to call it, it all boils down to using something that does not belong to you without the permission of the creator. And if you think it is ok to make an EXACT COPY of Paramount's ship designs without their permission, guess what every single download of a model is? An EXACT COPY. Nice try though :smokin:




Nibinrog

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#98 12 years ago

Nagus, why don't you just quit it while your behind? We all know why you started this thread, and your arguement has lost out atleast a dozen or so times already.

Next time, ASK for permissions before releasing a mod, and you wont have an issue about it.




The.Grand.Nagus

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#99 12 years ago
Nibinrog;4629084Nagus, why don't you just quit it while your behind? We all know why you started this thread, and your arguement has lost out atleast a dozen or so times already.[/quote] You just cant stay away from me can you? :naughty: [quote=Nibinrog;4629084]Next time, ASK for permissions before releasing a mod, and you wont have an issue about it.

Sorry, but I dont plan on asking permission to use something that was created without the permission of the original creator. And as I've said earlier, I have now hosted the mod myself and it is posted on several different websites, so whether its hosted on sfc3files or not really doesnt matter. Over 50 downloads for a mod that is less than a month old is good even for sfc3files standards :smokin:




elminster

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#100 12 years ago

The.Grand.Nagus;4629065Just because they may not actively enforce it does not mean they have given people permission to use their ships and distribute them. The fact is, they have not.

Which is why all of Paramount's IP is copyrighted. And a copyright does NOT mean "you can use our designs if you dont proffit", it means "you cannot use our designs at ALL without our permission".

No matter what you want to call it, it all boils down to using something that does not belong to you without the permission of the creator. And if you think it is ok to make an EXACT COPY of Paramount's ship designs without their permission, guess what every single download of a model is? An EXACT COPY. Nice try though :smokin:[/quote]

Your still missing the point, their is a distinction between the 'design' as you call it and the model. The model itself is created by a modeller, it is their work. Because the IP of the model is not the modellers work, the restrictions placed on it is that of the IP holder.

In these cases, the non-enforcement of creative rights is tacit consent for the creation of the models by another party, no affirmed permission is required in this instance as the IP holder has set a precedent.

For the third time, DO SOME RESEARCH, or stop posting about issues you don't understand.

[quote=The.Grand.Nagus;4629102]You just cant stay away from me can you? :naughty:

Sorry, but I dont plan on asking permission to use something that was created without the permission of the original creator. And as I've said earlier, I have now hosted the mod myself and it is posted on several different websites, so whether its hosted on sfc3files or not really doesnt matter. Over 50 downloads for a mod that is less than a month old is good even for sfc3files standards :smokin:

Pariah, your a leech on the modding community.