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The.Grand.Nagus

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#101 12 years ago
elminster;4629106Your still missing the point, their is a distinction between the 'design' as you call it and the model. The model itself is created by a modeller, it is their work. Because the IP of the model is not the modellers work, the restrictions placed on it is that of the IP holder.[/quote] I'm not missing any point; you think its fine to use someone else's work without their permission, but not for someone to use your work without your permission :rolleyes: And once again, we're not talking about using the "original" work of the creator either. If you make a model of the galaxy class, it is an exact COPY of Paramount's design. If someone downloads that ship, it is an exact COPY of the original model. In both cases, it is a copy that is being used, not the original :naughty: [quote=elminster;4629106]Pariah, your a leech on the modding community.

Oh, you mean the same way the community is "leeching" off of Paramount's work? Your word, not mine ;)




Nibinrog

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#102 12 years ago

I'm sure someone will eventually contact the hosting companies that you have the mod on, and they will have it yanked anyways. Since the file is located on their servers illegally that is. If you have no intention of asking permissions before using other peoples hard work, then you won't gain many friends in the community. As a rule of thumb, you ALWAYS ask permissions from fellow modders.

To put this as clear as can be so you can understand:

Modders do not steal the original artwork from Paramount etc. They make their own artwork, based on concepts from Paramount, or they make new artwork entirely based on a similar style. Modders are not thieves.

YOU are a thief, for hosting a file on alternate locations, that is expressly forbidden due to not obtaining permissions from the original authors.




The.Grand.Nagus

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#103 12 years ago
Nibinrog;4629190I'm sure someone will eventually contact the hosting companies that you have the mod on, and they will have it yanked anyways.[/quote] LOL, right. I'm sure they'll be quick to delete my mod because of a dispute in a modding community :lol:
Nibinrog;4629190Since the file is located on their servers illegally that is.
Numerous people in this thread(yourself included) have stated that it is ok to use Paramount's work as long as you are not making a profit and you give them credit. Guess what? I'm not making a profit from my mod, and I gave every person whose model I used credit. So if that is your definition of "illegal", then every model based on Paramount's work is "illegal" ;) [quote=Nibinrog;4629190]If you have no intention of asking permissions before using other peoples hard work, then you won't gain many friends in the community. As a rule of thumb, you ALWAYS ask permissions from fellow modders.

LOL, you think I'm worried about popularity? I simply wont ask permission to use something that was created without the permission of the original creator. Sorry :smokin:




Nibinrog

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#104 12 years ago

You have a talent of misunderstanding. What I meant by "the file is located on their servers illegally", is because you did NOT obtain permissions from everyone involved in your mod, and that is likely why your mod was pulled from SFC3files in the first place. That, or your mod contained music from a commercial soundtrack.




elminster

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#105 12 years ago

Just ignore him, he's being deliberatly obtuse, no one can be that ignorant on purpose.

He doesn't actually have a point, he's just picking at precedent to justify his tenuous position as a mod theif.

He'll be ostracised from any modding cumminty with that attitude and lack of respect for others.

He obviously is incapable of distinguishing between a 'design' and a 'build'.




The.Grand.Nagus

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#106 12 years ago
Nibinrog;4629190To put this as clear as can be so you can understand: Modders do not steal the original artwork from Paramount etc. They make their own artwork, based on concepts from Paramount, or they make new artwork entirely based on a similar style. Modders are not thieves.[/quote] So what your saying is, modders dont take the ORIGINAL artwork from Paramount, they just make an EXACT copy of it, without Paramount's permission. Furthermore, your saying that is fine to do. Well guess what every download of a model is? An EXACT copy of the ORIGINAL model. So even if someone downloads a model and uses it without the creator's permission, they are only using a COPY, not the original model :naughty: [quote=Nibinrog;4629190]YOU are a thief, for hosting a file on alternate locations, that is expressly forbidden due to not obtaining permissions from the original authors.

If hosting a file made without obtaining the permissions of the original authors is theivery, then hosting any ship made from Paramount's designs without their permission is theivery. ;)




elminster

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#107 12 years ago

The.Grand.Nagus;4629324So what your saying is, modders dont take the ORIGINAL artwork from Paramount, they just make an EXACT copy of it, without Paramount's permission. Furthermore, your saying that is fine to do. Well guess what every download of a model is? An EXACT copy of the ORIGINAL model. So even if someone downloads a model and uses it without the creator's permission, they are only using a COPY, not the original model [/quote]

[quote=elminster;4629241] He obviously is incapable of distinguishing between a 'design' and a 'build'.

I rest my case.




Nibinrog

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#108 12 years ago

Just go away, Nagus.




The.Grand.Nagus

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#109 12 years ago
elminster;4629241He obviously is incapable of distinguishing between a 'design' and a 'build'.

Using Paramount's copyrighted designs is using something that does not belong to you without the permission of the author. Using someone's model is using something that does not belong to you without the permission of the author. Yes, there is a difference between a design and a model, I understand that completely. But the action of using something that does not belong to you without the permission of the author is the same. Furthemore, people justify using Paramount's designs without their permission by saying that they are not profiting and they give Paramount credit. I do not profit from my mod, and I gave every person whose ships I used credit. Finaly, if someone makes a galaxy class ship they are making an exact copy of Paramount's original work. If I download someone's ship, the download is an exact copy of the original work. So whether your talking about models or designs, the end result is the same: using someone else's work without their permission, and only using a COPY of the original work. The hypocrisy is that people want to be able to use Paramount's work without their permission, but demand that others get permission to use theirs. I refuse :smokin:




Nibinrog

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#110 12 years ago

Are you intentionally dense, or are you just as stupid as it appears from your posts?