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#1 10 years ago

Yesterday I wrote two comments. [COLOR=red]KLINGON AMBASSADOR[/COLOR] agree , leave Your works on Your HDD until You'll make something much better and [COLOR=red]EARLY NX01[/COLOR] Nice try - much better than the "klingon Ambassador" released today.

And I think that the ship was using spatial torpedoes. in responce I got two answers from [COLOR=red]acidfluxxbass[/COLOR]

Yeah tip top ive really come to the conclusion you really need to keep your thoughts to yourself. the dude gave it a go his ambassador might not be spectacular but it was a shot. As ive said before, if you dont like it, dont download it and go back to your beloved ship packs instead of saying stuff that drives away users. In fact its people like you who make this community suffer. So many modders have turned their back on this community because of critisms like the one you made above. End of story

and from [COLOR=red]Amargosa987[/COLOR]

Before a feud begins here guys let me reiterate something. With regards to tiptops comments i suppose everyone is entitled to their opinion. But please, if you are going to criticise peoples work tiptop, make it constructive so that they can learn from there mistakes, whatever you think they may be, try to keep things that may make potential modders look away from legacy.

Face it, you are not going to be here forever, it would be nice to see what new talent there is, and another thing. You were like this (inexperienced and making mistakes) when you first started modding this game, there just was no one to do to you what you are doing to others.

So please, this being for everyone, be constructive, be critical, but dont be mean

Amagosa

I really like You acid. You write ,what You're thinking - just like me:smokin:. It's not my intention to "make the community suffer" People are leaving the community becouse of criticism? I'll get back later to the consturctive criticism. Acid I know that this ship is Your child in some way ( High_Man used Your trutorial to make that ship) but that doesn't change a thing. You should be objective. If it was High_mans first attempt to make a working Legacy ship he should threat that work as an training and start working on a next project. ( Cool it works , so now I can start modding ) He didn't , he was happy that it works , that he can make a mod , he wanted to show his work to every Legacy Community member. I can understand that , but he should also be ready for a opinions like the one I wrote. It's still long road before him. Acid You know very well that making such a ship ist just a beggining of modding. Cool that he made it but it looks bad. I'm waiting for his next mod. I'm sure that with the knowledge gained during making that ship , he'll make much better mod next time. Since the release of Legacy everone (even me) is saying that the game should be much better. Many times I've heard opinions: it's a cr.... , BC is much better , it looked better on the trailer , bla , bla , bla. Simply even Supaplex is better. Everyone who's here since the release date knows what I'm talking about. Some modders from other communities still don't like us very much. That's why I think that our mods have to be the best. Now , Legacy may not be the best game ever but it allows You to make great mods. Now Amargosa , I know that I won't be here forever (You'll throw me away , right now:)) and I know that my early ships were.... let's say , they just were. I'm making ships for over a Year and I'm still learning. There's one difference between my early days and High_Mans early days. Over a Year ago when I was learning to mod everyone else did the same. We wre all learning to mod for Legacy , even if someone had some previous experience with modding other games. It will be much harder for High_Man. Why? Lets say that 100 Years ago Ford began production of model T. Now I'd like to start building cars right now in 2008. Unfortunatelly I cant build cars like model T. My cars would have to be much better. It may sound unfair but that's life. As for constructive criticism. I didn't wanted to write what's wrong with that ship becouse I didn't wanted to offend High_Man. But in current situation I have no other choise. In my opinion High_Man just sticked black boxes with Klingon Empire symbol to the Ambassador textures. And I almost forgot , he changed the color balance on two of three main texture files , so now every part of the ship has different color. Even if it was authors first attempt I won't change my mind. High_Man , good result as a TRAINING (it works You know how to make a working mod) but I'm waiting for Your next mod. I'm very sorry if anyone felt offeded. It was not my intention to make You feel that way. Sorry for my english. TipTop




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#2 10 years ago

You have a point tiptop, but you should still keep it civil and constructive. Telling someone to keep his work on his HDD is definitely NOT constructive. And remember: We are a community. So pissing of each other is not that useful! :rolleyes:




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#3 10 years ago

tiptop;4380866Yesterday I wrote two comments. [COLOR=red]KLINGON AMBASSADOR[/COLOR] agree , leave Your works on Your HDD until You'll make something much better and [COLOR=red]EARLY NX01[/COLOR] Nice try - much better than the "klingon Ambassador" released today.

And I think that the ship was using spatial torpedoes. in responce I got two answers from [COLOR=red]acidfluxxbass[/COLOR]

and from [COLOR=red]Amargosa987[/COLOR]

I really like You acid. You write ,what You're thinking - just like me:smokin:. It's not my intention to "make the community suffer" People are leaving the community becouse of criticism? I'll get back later to the consturctive criticism. Acid I know that this ship is Your child in some way ( High_Man used Your trutorial to make that ship) but that doesn't change a thing. You should be objective. If it was High_mans first attempt to make a working Legacy ship he should threat that work as an training and start working on a next project. ( Cool it works , so now I can start modding ) He didn't , he was happy that it works , that he can make a mod , he wanted to show his work to every Legacy Community member. I can understand that , but he should also be ready for a opinions like the one I wrote. It's still long road before him. Acid You know very well that making such a ship ist just a beggining of modding. Cool that he made it but it looks bad. I'm waiting for his next mod. I'm sure that with the knowledge gained during making that ship , he'll make much better mod next time. Since the release of Legacy everone (even me) is saying that the game should be much better. Many times I've heard opinions: it's a cr.... , BC is much better , it looked better on the trailer , bla , bla , bla. Simply even Supaplex is better. Everyone who's here since the release date knows what I'm talking about. Some modders from other communities still don't like us very much. That's why I think that our mods have to be the best. Now , Legacy may not be the best game ever but it allows You to make great mods. Now Amargosa , I know that I won't be here forever (You'll throw me away , right now:)) and I know that my early ships were.... let's say , they just were. I'm making ships for over a Year and I'm still learning. There's one difference between my early days and High_Mans early days. Over a Year ago when I was learning to mod everyone else did the same. We wre all learning to mod for Legacy , even if someone had some previous experience with modding other games. It will be much harder for High_Man. Why? Lets say that 100 Years ago Ford began production of model T. Now I'd like to start building cars right now in 2008. Unfortunatelly I cant build cars like model T. My cars would have to be much better. It may sound unfair but that's life. As for constructive criticism. I didn't wanted to write what's wrong with that ship becouse I didn't wanted to offend High_Man. But in current situation I have no other choise. In my opinion High_Man just sticked black boxes with Klingon Empire symbol to the Ambassador textures. And I almost forgot , he changed the color balance on two of three main texture files , so now every part of the ship has different color. Even if it was authors first attempt I won't change my mind. High_Man , good result as a TRAINING (it works You know how to make a working mod) but I'm waiting for Your next mod. I'm very sorry if anyone felt offeded. It was not my intention to make You feel that way. Sorry for my english. TipTop

It is good that you have expressed your opinion on the ship throught the forums. The comment I left, I felt wasnt a hostile comment and I felt it was, to an extent, justififed. With repsect to you TipTop, your comment on the Early NX Info page was uneeded. It was, effectivly 'slagging' off someones work. By saying one mod was better than another isnt constructive and isnt going to encourage the modder to improve or make new mods. You see, if I saw a comment on, say another ship saying; "far better than acids ugly 20 nacelled ship", I would be disheartened and discouraged - as I'm sure you would be in the same position. The reason I defended the ship was partly due to the tutorials I made. I spent plenty of time and effort making those tutorials for the benefit of the site and when they help bring a new modder into the network, they are hit by comments like "keep it on your HDD" from you and yopyop. Constructive comments should say that it can be improved allot and maybe some tips along with it. Your comment on the Klingon Ambassador page certainly wasnt constructive and your comment about it on the Early NX page made it 10 times worse. Ive experienced it from you aswell. You've told me you hate my armoured refits and critisised my Mini-Ops Class.. Whilst you are entitled to your own opinion, you need to make sure they aren't offensive or give yourself a bad image. Putting that aside, im sure the entire community including myself respect you for your apology and this issue should be put aside.

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#4 10 years ago

I see that the language barrier is the main reason we're having this conversation. When I told that I hate the armored refits and don't like the Mini-Ops class , I meant that I don't like the idea. Your work was great. I don't like the Oberth class but that doesn't mean that I hate the designer or that I don't admire his skills. And when I told

Nice try - much better than the "klingon Ambassador" released today.

I wanted to say that from the two mods released YESTERDAY I prefered the NX01. It wasn't written to p.... of everyone else. But I agree that if You see both comments it looks nasty.




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#5 10 years ago
tiptop;4381059I see that the language barrier is the main reason we're having this conversation. When I told that I hate the armored refits and don't like the Mini-Ops class , I meant that I don't like the idea. Your work was great. I don't like the Oberth class but that doesn't mean that I hate the designer or that I don't admire his skills. And when I told I wanted to say that from the two mods released YESTERDAY I prefered the NX01. It wasn't written to p.... of everyone else. But I agree that if You see both comments it looks nasty.

But the mods are completely different... how can you put one against the other? Ones a retexture, the others a rescript, with some extra's. I dont think there should be competition between users or their mods.. dannyp61(?) has more experience than High_man so obviously his mod may be better. Obviously theres going to be competition between biiger mods. The competition between New Gen and Chris Jones is inevitable... They have the two biggest mods available. However, comparing two different mods is unnecarssary.

Acid

[EDIT] as for my mods, your entitled not to like them but what I dont like is the fact they discaourage me to carry on more than anyting. Other users say this is good but ... You simply said you hated it and it was ugly (or something like that)




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#6 10 years ago

If I did than sorry.




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#7 10 years ago

tiptop;4381093If I did than sorry.

High_Man , sorry if I offended You some way. Keep working. I promisse I'll be the first one to download Your next work.

Good man Respect 4 that

Acid




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#8 10 years ago

I apologise for sounding harsh tiptop, but there are levels of criticism that help, and then there are levels that drive people away. You are right about the language barrier too though. Because we have so many different meanings and contexts of words in both our languages, typing criticism and comments over the net isnt always easy.




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#9 10 years ago

Happy t(h)ree friends?;)