I just want to kick off this thread by saying that I enjoy TOS, I love the movies (TMP through to the reboot) - TNG was amazing, and Voyager was also a great TV show. I hated Enterprise but that's another story for another day.
But all of this, in my eyes, pales in comparison to what I believe is a true masterpiece of television art, and that is Deep Space Nine.
It'll always be my most treasured and favorite of all Star Treks, and the main reasons for this are;
- The depth of the stories that are told.
- The depth not just of the main characters but many recurring characters that are fleshed out and in my eyes become just as if not more interesting than the main cast.
- The story arc that threads the entire series together, and the fact that actions have consequences that last outside of that particular episode.
A lot of innovative stuff went on on Deep Space Nine, and quite frankly that has always been severely overlooked over the years by many fans who don't consider it "proper" Trek.
So I was quite annoyed by this; Star Trek "Tribble-ations" Wins Best DS9 Episode Poll
Honestly? Trials and Tribblations? I just feel like this poll has been heavily influenced by people who simply do not get what DS9 was all about. So many amazing epsiodes have been overlooked here like The Visitor or In The Pale Moonlight. So many well written, deep, amazing stories and a comedy episode won?
Sure, Trials was a good epsiode, funny, cleverly done, and a good anniversary show, but christ, this isn't what DS9 should be notable for.
Am I the only one who feels this way? Anyone else want to put forward suggestions for a true Best DS9 Episode ever?
I enjoyed DS9 because, if memory serves me, it was the first TV show in primetime to have a girl on girl kiss ;P
But yeah, I always enjoyed watching DS9, there was never any shortage of good story lines and the new 'bad guys' were original. The fact that Worf & Obrien made the move from TNG didn't hurt.
Trials and Tribblations was masterfully done, and was ingenius, but far from the best episode...although, for fans of ToS & DS9., i can understand why the vote is there
I didn't like it too much at first but by season 3-4 it became my favorite. I liked the fact that it became a story. I hate TNG's episode reset button
FileTrekker;5631777Am I the only one who feels this way? Anyone else want to put forward suggestions for a true Best DS9 Episode ever?[/QUOTE] It's been awhile since the last time I watched DS9, so I don't remember all of the episodes too well. Like with all other Star Trek shows, DS9 fluctuated in quality from episode to episode, but overall it was a good, quality show. Still, Voyager and Enterprise are my favorites.
If I had to pick something from DS9, it would be the episodes that involve the mirror universe, Crossover, Through the Looking Glass and Shattered Mirror. Those episodes are well done and show what happened to the Terran Empire after the events in the TOS episode Mirror, Mirror, how the Terrans went from being the conquerors to nothing more than slaves.
Enterprise had two episodes (In a Mirror, Darkly and In a Mirror, Darkly, Part II) that involve the mirror universe. Voyager had an episode (Living Witness) that kinda gives a 'what if' view into what could've been if the Terran Empire survived and continued to evolve (at least that's how I see it, but it's not hard to imagine that Terran version of the Intrepid class ship would be designed something like warship Voyager). Too bad TNG didn't have any episodes involving the mirror universe. That would completely connect all 5 shows in regard to the mirror universe. [QUOTE=Hfx-Rebel;5631792]I enjoyed DS9 because, if memory serves me, it was the first TV show in primetime to have a girl on girl kiss ;P
Oh hai thar. :naughty: :D
I'll be honest and say the mirror universe episodes are my least favourite of anything Star Trek. I find them niggling in that they stretch the suspension of disbelief too far.
It's supposed to be a parallel universe, so it's weird how everyone still happens to be in the same place at the same time, just evil. Their lives would have taken the characters totally different places so that annoys me. The only part of it I found cool was the Tuvok cameo in one DS9 episode.
Now had they done little things such as having only some of the characters in the mirror universe, brought Terry Farrell into the Season 7 mirror universe episode, done more things like having Tuvok, and generally created a totally different setting to just "Deep Space Nine but evil" - it'd have been more interesting.
As it stands the Mirror Universe eps to me just seem lazy.
That's all true, but I like them anyway. I like the idea behind them. Granted, there's still room for improvement, but that could be said for the whole Star Trek in general. Nothing is perfect.
DS9 is by far my favourite series and that is mainly because of the continuity aspect (and the fact that I'm a sucker for the 'daily life in space' part of Star Trek). It is not just planet-or-problem-or-alien-of-the-week. no matter what the story is, the Bajorans are still there (with their political and religious machinations), Quark is still trying to cheat his customers, the station is still falling apart, and the Cardassians are still just on the other side of the border. This all means that issues and characters can be revisited and fleshed out. So in addition to the main characters, there is a whole gallery of side characters who get loads of story time.
My favourite episode has to be the first season episode Duet. Great acting, great writing, greatness all around. I'm a great fan of the Bajoran/Cardassian story line and this episode has an interesting twist:
I'm not crazy about the mirror episodes. I think the parallel universe is a cheap way of avoiding telling stories and dealing with established canon (also one of the many resons I hate the new film).
And about Trials; I can totally see why it won the poll. It's a very creative episode, both technically, visually and story-wise. It brings in all the TOS-puritans and it is a fitting tribute. I just wouldn't call it the greatest episode.
Voice of joy and sunshine
26th May 2003
Garak is easily my favourite character in trek.
I won't say I hated DS9, more like I just never acquired a taste for it. I've tried watching from the beginning a few times, and it just hasn't held my interest.
Well, if you're looking for a nice neat story start-to-finish in 45 minutes, then DS9 isn't the show for you. If you're willing to invest the time in soaking in the episodes and the overall continuity, depth of characters, and the depth of the story, it rewards you immensely.
But if you're looking for Captains Log Stardate > Encounter of the Week > Drama > Resolution > Ending Credits, then DS9 isn't going to provide that very often, especially outside the first season, thus you're going to get bored of it rather quickly I reckon.
For example if you watch The Wire, you really have to have invested the time in Garak's previous appearances, his backstory, the depth of his character. If you're doing it TNG-style and just throwing it on without remembering a lot about what's gone on previously, you're going to zone out a little and think "wtfisthis" - but actually the genius of that character in that epsiode is just fucking amazing.