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Ok, so we all know the story of Janeway and her crew on the USS Voyager, stranded on the other side of the Galaxy, far from home, having to travel through most of the Delta Quadrant, and then the Beta Quadrant, before arriving home at Earth (in the Alpha Quadrant). But, what if it wasn't Voyager? What if it wasn't an Intrepid Class. Below, is a small list of various Trek ships, that should they have been in the position of Voyager, would they have got home? What would have happened to them do you think? How would they have worked with other races, and would they have survived many of the encounters? Before we begin here, do note that this has nothing to do with the captain or crew. This is pure ship-based. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

  • Federation Excelsior Class
  • Federation Galaxy Class
  • Federation Defiant Class
  • Klingon Bird of Prey Class
  • Klingon Vor'cha Class
  • Romulan D'Deridex Class
  • Cardassian Galor Class
  • Dominion Bug
  • Breen Battleship

Federation Excelsior Class: Now, for me, I think this ship would have made it, and would have done so in a similar manner to Voyager. The only downfalls an Excelsior would face, would be her speed and manoeuvrability. She isn't as agile as an Intrepid, and has a lower warp speed. However, she isn't that far off, and whilst being slightly bigger, doesn't seem as easy a target for me. Likewise, I have no doubt that a Refit (with Quantum Torpedoes, and added technology) would have done the job ever better. Federation Galaxy Class: Again, this one would have made it back, taking a fair few ships with her during her time in the Delta Quadrant. Some of the bigger ships (such as probably the Vidiians, and maybe the Hirogen) wouldn't have been so quick to jump onto a Galaxy. They're big, they're powerful, and if worst comes to worst, they can separate, and double-team the opposition. Whilst she doesn't have the speed, nor the agility, she has the power, and I think she'd use it well. Also, unlike the Excelsior & Intrepid, the Galaxy would have a lot more storage space, being able to make less stops for refuelling and such. Federation Defiant Class: For me, this one wouldn't make it. The ship is built for combat, and combat alone. She doesn't have the facilities for storage, and her crew is at a minimum, they'd be killed off too quick. Sure, she'd have taken the fight right to the Kazon and quite possibly the Hirogen, but she simply isn't good enough in the long run, to travel the great distance. Klingon Bird of Prey: Again, with the Defiant, the BoP wouldn't make it. Mainly because of the same storage and crew issues. There is also the fact that the Klingons would go looking for a fight, whereas a Defiant wouldn't necessarily go out of her way to engage a foe. Klingon Vor'cha Class: I think, with the Galaxy, the Vor'cha would make it. We know that a D7 / K't'inga was doing fairly well in the Delta Quadrant through the one seen in Voyager. A Vor'cha has the firepower, the room, and the power to do just about whatever she wants. With the addition of a cloak, she'd have taken the trip. Romulan D'Deridex Class Warbird: Sheer size would have the opposition crapping themselves here. I can just picture a Vidiian ship or two scanning an area, when one of these de-cloaks, and locks on her Disruptor's. Unless the Vidiians are stupid, they'd tuck tail and run. The only problems I can see for this ship are her size and slowness. She isn't very agile, takes her time moving, and appears to have a fair few blind spots. Though she makes up with a Cloaking Device, I do have to question whether she'd get home in one piece. Cardassian Galor Class: Again, I'm unsure on this one. The Cardassians do like to fight, yet they aren't stupid. However, from what we've seen, Cardassian ships aren't all that tough. They need to be in groups of two or three to have an effect on a Galaxy Class. If they were to lay low, then maybe they'd make the trip, though I doubt they'd be as kind to others such as the Talaxians etc. Dominion Bug: Rams the first Kazon Ship in sight. Nuff said really... Breen Battleship: Again, with the Galor, I question. The Breen ships, alike the Galor don't seem all that powerful. Their speed and manoeuvrability are next to nothing, however their hull isn't one of toughness. We've seen time and time again that a few torpedoes or pulse phasers can quite easily rip through these ships. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

And now, for everyone else's view. These aren't facts, so those of you telling others they're wrong, please don't. Nobody is wrong here, it is just a discussion and opinions on what we think. These vessels have been chosen as they're the main ones throughout the shows. Some would fulfil the role of others. An example would be the Ambassador comes close to a Galaxy, as does a Nebula, thus whatever is thought of for a Galaxy, would be the same for these other two. :feedback:




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#2 11 years ago

Interesting read, my thoughts are;

Excelsior Class: Likewise I think the Excelsior would have gotten home in a similar way to Voyager, all be it without time traveling Admiral Janeway to save the day. However I don't think the Excelsior would be able to handle combat as well as the Intrepid; TMP ships are notorious for having weak hulls, even the DW refits as was seen in many of the later DS9 episodes.

Galaxy Class: The Galaxy Class I think would have had the easier job of getting home. For starters the Galaxy has an approximate crew compliment of 1000 making repairs etc go quicker. It also would be a more threatening target and as you mentioned other races wouldn't be as quick to attack. For the most part however I think you pretty much hit the nail on the head.

Defiant Class: I think a Defiant Class ship might have lasted a month or perhaps two, but because its primarily a warship it does not have the facilities to gather supplies, nor the room. For example with Voyager they converted part of the ship into a dilithium refinery, although we never saw this area it was mentioned on several occasions, and the larger ships would be able to accommodate for this need where as the Defiant would not.

Klingon BOP: To be honest I don't think this ship would last more than the first day, no warping away when its heavily damaged.

Klingon Vor'cha: Again I don't think this ship would carry it off.

You did mention the D7 seen in Voyagers seventh season; that ships was searching for the saviour of the Klingon Empire, and most likely didn't go attacking every ship that crossed its path in the name of honor.

Although this ship would pack a punch and would be able to survive in a similar manner to Voyager, as with the BOP they wouldn't know when to run and when to attack. Which in turn changes the odds of survival greatly.

Romulan Warbird: Interestingly enough I think the Romulans could probably do a better job than the Starfleet ships, concentrating more on stealth rather than combat or exploration would mean that this ship would easily slip past most of the hostile species that Voyager encountered, and decloaking for short periods of time to gather resources reveals a powerful ship rather than an easy target.

Cardassian Galor: Quite simply I think the Carassians would probably come home with a few friends to meet the Federation. "Here have a replicator my Kazon friend."

Dominion Bug: Agreed; "Ramming speed".

Breen Battleship: This one I'm not to sure about either, they may or may not make allies and they may or may not enter combat. I'd say the chances are 50/50.




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Excelsior Class: The Excelsior-class was the battlecruiser of its day, designed for long-term exploration and power projection. However, it is old. Its spaceframe is worn and no longer the most sophisticated in its class, its hull armour is below par, and it is not nearly as powerful as modern ships. While the Kazon used obsolete technology, the Intrepid-class was so modern that it was able to deal with even their larger vessels. I doubt that the Excelsior would fare as well. Unless we're talking about the Lakuta refit, of course, which may well get much further.

Galaxy Class: The Galaxy-class starship is purpose built for long-range exploration without the support of the fleet. It is theoretically capable of remaining in deep space for up to and over ten years without returning to base at all. When we also include the extensive scientific capabilities of the class, along with its powerful armaments and shielding, not to mention its sheer size and crew compliment, it is supremely qualified for the task.

Defiant Class: As has been said in previous posts, the Defiant is not built for long-term missions. It is designed to go out, kick ass, and then come home. The Defiant would have excelled in that first battle (The Caretaker) but struggled from that point on.

Klingon BOP: Not a chance in hell. Even if they remained cloaked, we're talking about a ship smaller than the Defiant, with a lower crew compliment, AND it's a century old. Even if its technology wasn't obsolete, it wasn't as heavily armed as the Defiant-class anyway.

Klingon Vor'cha: The Vor'cha was designed as a counter to the Nebula-class, plus it can cloak, so with recent refits it's certainly fully capable of navigating the hazards of the Delta Quadrant. Technologically speaking, anyway.

Romulan Warbird: Presumably you mean the D'deridex, rather than the original. The D'deridex-class is not quite as effective in combat as the Galaxy-class, although its cloaking abilities would probably be useful (although, we have no idea whether or not Delta Quadrant races would be able to detect cloaking technology, so it's a debatable point). In the Dominion War, they proved to be more bark than bite - but the bark may be enough to keep them safe. Romulan officers are much, much different to Federation offers in terms of tactics and protocol, so it's not easy to say for sure how they would manage.

Of course, a simple scan would reveal the exact capabilities of the D'deridex, so its size and imposing design may not be a significant factor for very long. Just get behind it...

Cardassian Galor: Not a chance. Not even with Dominion upgrades - which they didn't have when Voyager was catapulted off into the DQ anyway.

Dominion Bug: Well, assuming that Delta Quadrant shields prove to be just as ineffective against phased poleron weapons as Alpha Quadrant shields were, they may have stood a chance in the initial fights. Although they share the same disadvantages as the Defiant-class (size and long-term survivability, mainly), the crew are a lot less reliant on resources than humans, so they may have fared a little better.

Breen Battleship: The advanced weaponry on Breen ships may prove to be enough to overwhelm many of the Delta Quadrant races, before they ultimately got assimilated by the Borg.

Unfortunately, however, most of these ships - the Galaxy, the Galor, the Vor'cha, the D'deridex, and the Excelsior, namely - would not have survived the trip into the Badlands in the first place.




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#4 11 years ago
SupaStarAsh;3546538Romulan D'Deridex Class Romulan D'Deridex Class Warbird: Sheer size would have the opposition crapping themselves here. I can just picture a Vidiian ship or two scanning an area, when one of these de-cloaks, and locks on her Disruptor's. Unless the Vidiians are stupid, they'd tuck tail and run. The only problems I can see for this ship are her size and slowness. She isn't very agile, takes her time moving, and appears to have a fair few blind spots. Though she makes up with a Cloaking Device, I do have to question whether she'd get home in one piece.[/quote] [quote=Mr. Matt;3546798]Presumably you mean the D'deridex, rather than the original.

Reading FTW ;) And whilst I'm here, in regards to the Excelsior, granted the older ships wouldn't do well, Refits aside, I find it hard to believe that the Excelsior Class have seized production. There are quite a few of them, and they fulfil many roles. I wouldn't be surprised if they were continuing construction on them. If so, would they not be making stronger hulls for them?




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SupaStarAsh;3546538
  • Federation Excelsior Class
  • Federation Galaxy Class
  • Federation Defiant Class
  • Klingon Bird of Prey Class
  • Klingon Vor'cha Class
  • Romulan D'Deridex Class
  • Cardassian Galor Class
  • Dominion Bug
  • Breen Battleship
And whilst I'm here, in regards to the Excelsior, granted the older ships wouldn't do well, Refits aside, I find it hard to believe that the Excelsior Class have seized production. There are quite a few of them, and they fulfil many roles. I wouldn't be surprised if they were continuing construction on them. If so, would they not be making stronger hulls for them?

Ep: Relativity The shipyard scene at the beginning shows multiple ships in dock being constructed. Notable ships include, obviously the USS Voyager, various Akira classes, Galaxy class and an Excelsior class. Not so much raw in production, but they are being built and is evident with the Galaxy classes and various other craft, the Starfleet protocol would be to chuck on newer tech (it makes sense, right?). 320x240a.jpg320x240b.jpg Sorry about the size of the pics, I got them off the official ST site ages ago (they looked good). You can clearly see an Excelsior class then, at the time of the Intrepid class (and more importantly, for this argument, the Lakota). Excelsior With more crew, more space and more holdings for torpedoes (unlike Voyager, who used 194% of their torpedo supply), this version, providing it's the seen Lakota refit, would be able to do quite a bit of damage to enemy ships and its increased size would also de-suade enemy ships more likely than with the Intrepid. In addition, the quantum torpedoes would've helped when they came up against the Borg multiple times. Generally, this would've done better and worse than the Intrepid at points, but would've got home all the same in probably the same time. Galaxy "Ahahahahahah!" - Galaxy captain *Kazon look at one another* "You call THAT a ship?? Pffft. Lock phasers" - Gal Cap'n *Kazon look perplexed* *Boom* "Ahahahahaha. Ahhh, too easy." The only problem they'd have had would've been with the Borg, but I'm guessing with the latest Galaxy design, they'd have either run or fought and maybe taken more damage here, on all other ocassions, they'd have survived a heck of a lot longer than on the Intrepid, so more damage from Borg, but far less time re-fuelling and repairing. Defiant They can certainly talk the talk, but the walk would be too exhausting. They'd go out in style, mind you. Bird of Prey *See's Kazon ship* "To Sto'Vo..." - Klingon Captain *Boom* Vor'Cha Whilst potent and large like the Galaxy class, I simply doubt the resiliance of the craft after a pro-lounged time. Granted, all the times they'd get into combat they'd do strikingly well (and this would be a lot) but when it comes down to length in the DQ, I don't think they'd hold up. D'Deridex Cloak and dagger to the extreme. They'd be visible one moment and Warp 8 the next. They'd get through. Even with the seemingly small amount of armaments, they'd do pretty damn well and get through to the end. Final Three Not a hope. - Bug - Suicidal run. - Galor - Target practice for someone. - Breen - Run out of ammo and thus become fodder. Akira Class This is a difficult one. Whilst technologically further and more heavily armed than an Excelsior, it forever seems to have been punched holes in. Granted in combat situations, she'd do remarkably well, but they'd suffer exactly the same problems as the Intrepid, except being purely a battleship would limit it so. It'd get quite far, but it'd be put short by a singlely larger craft. Steamrunner, Norway and Sabre Nope, nope and nope. They might have the newer tech that an Intrepid has, but they're not large enough or have too little visible armaments to have protected themselves. The Steamrunner would get the furthest, but to that end, I don't know how far. Negh'Var/Voodieh Now this IS an example of being big and intimidating. This ship would've been blowing holes in the enemy ships as they rereated just on the sight of the thing. She'd have got through all right, but had issues when trying to refuel...as we don't know how well Klingons can do that on the go.




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#6 11 years ago

I agree with most of the things that have been said Joelteon, though I'm not sure about the Steamrunner. The fact is we (or I in this situation) don't know much about the ship, She could have made it, since she is a modern combat vessel, she's fast and nimble and she can take a punch and return a few aswell. I think she might have made it, but it would have been a close call. The Vor'Cha has a larger chanse of surviving because they have the cloaking technology. If I had to bet on either the Vor'Cha, Excelsior or Steamrunner my money would be on the Vor'Cha. She's a klingon ship so she's definatly capable of battle and she has a cloak for when the situation gets too dangerous, the only downside would probably be storingsize. However the Intrepid got trough so I'm sure the Vor'Cha could survive the trip aswell.


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SupaStarAsh;3547048Reading FTW ;)

Yeah, sorry, I quoted the wrong post without realising it.

And whilst I'm here, in regards to the Excelsior, granted the older ships wouldn't do well, Refits aside, I find it hard to believe that the Excelsior Class have seized production. There are quite a few of them, and they fulfil many roles. I wouldn't be surprised if they were continuing construction on them. If so, would they not be making stronger hulls for them?

Excelsiors are no longer in production, but the class itself hasn't been decommissioned yet - they just made a heck of a lot of the things when they were in production. They certainly don't make Mirandas anymore either, but you see those things all over the place. Sure, you can upgrade some of its key features, like phasers and torpedoes, but the space frame? Nu uh. And as those things age, they suffer general stress from warp and sublight travel, not to mention battle damage, reducing their effectiveness and structural stability.

Quite frankly I find it disturbing that Starfleet keeps its ships in service for so long, however good they may have been at the time. Even Star Wars navies don't do that (well... sometimes they do...), and the Star Wars universe has suffered from 20,000 years of technological stagnation. It'd be like keeping the HMS Dreadnought in a modern fleet and pitting it against Ticonderoga missile cruisers - the word suicide should spring to mind.

So anyway, yeah. They suffer in combat, speed and agility, but compared to the Intrepid they have better long-range capabilities - barely. You'd have to figure out the MPG of those supposedly uber-efficient warp engines on the Intrepid to determine how often the respective ships would need to stop for fuel, and I don't think they publish figures like that in the brochures. They do presumably have better science facilities, though, given that they were once the Federation's ships-of-the-line. The Galaxy-class of its day, if you will.




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#8 11 years ago

Federation Excelsior Class - It could survive, but man would they have hard time. In aging battle ship from ages ago. Every thing els has Pretty much all ready ben said.

Galaxy class - "Let blow crap out of the kazon, figure out what make this station tick and then get home, before Star trek is on"

Federation Defiant Class -

"we must keep kazon from taking the station"

*Boom* kazon got owned

Do to the fact the Defiant hull armor has been refitted with ablative armor, has by far more stronger torpedoes, and by far more weapon. 2/3 voyagers battles would have ben avoided. I think they could have made it, but they would have to convert several torpedo bays in to cargobays/laboratory/ dilithium refineries. It is possible they could have made it back, but they would have to stop every 2 weeks for supplies. Then it up to diplomacy

"Let blow crap out of the kazon, figure out what make this station tick and then get home, before Star trek is on"

Klingon Bird of Prey Class -

"You dare to attack Klingon empire care taker? We will make you suffer for this!!!"

"We are Klingons!!!!"

"Target the ocompa blow them to the after life in flames!!!!"

*Bird of Prey fires at the care taker. Care taker array returns fire destroying the bird of prey.*

Klingon Vor'cha Class - "You dare to attack Klingon empire care taker? We will make you suffer for this!!!"

"We are Klingon!!!!"

"target the ocompa blow them to the after life in flames!!!!"

*Vor'cha Class fires all disruptors/disruptor beams/torpedoes at the care taker array. Care taker array is destroyed.*

"target the ocampa, then the kazon, make them all suffer for this ... fire."

"after the Klingon have killed every thing that moves, they kill them selves."

Romulan D'Deridex -

"once the care taker is dead, take the station for romulan star empire and prepare for invasion of the federation. Also kill kazon when you get around to it centurion."

Cardassian Galor Class -

"You know if we take this station we could conquer this spaces? Hail the kazon, tell them we wish to make a deal."

Dominion Bug -

Care taker you have attack the dominion, This is decleration of war. you must be destroyed. The Founders will be pleased!!!!"

*battle ensues, the bug is destroyed and care taker is heavily damage.

Breen Battleship - "fire the dampening weapon, we will take the array for are sevels."

*Breen disable the care takers array, bored it and kill the care taker and enslave the ocompa*

has you can see only the federation would have destroyed the array and got them sevels stranded. Rest of the ships would have took the station and used it to bring more of their races ship, in to the delta to secure the station. Kazon would have ben after thought




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#9 11 years ago
Joelteon7;3547078The shipyard scene at the beginning shows multiple ships in dock being constructed. Notable ships include, obviously the USS Voyager, various Akira classes, Galaxy class and an Excelsior class. Not so much raw in production, but they are being built and is evident with the Galaxy classes and various other craft, the Starfleet protocol would be to chuck on newer tech (it makes sense, right?).[/quote]
Mr. Matt;3548073They certainly don't make Mirandas anymore either, but you see those things all over the place.[/quote]Ahem, you mean to say that you see pieces of Miranda Class ships all over the place :lol:
Mr. Matt;3548073Quite frankly I find it disturbing that Starfleet keeps its ships in service for so long, however good they may have been at the time.[/quote]This is providing that you are correct in your assumption that they no longer make the Excelsior Class. If they did still construct them, then it would explain easily how they are still used and not too out-dated.
Joelteon7;3547078Steamrunner, Norway and Sabre Nope, nope and nope. They might have the newer tech that an Intrepid has, but they're not large enough or have too little visible armaments to have protected themselves. The Steamrunner would get the furthest, but to that end, I don't know how far.
[quote=sovereign002;3548045]I agree with most of the things that have been said Joelteon, though I'm not sure about the Steamrunner. The fact is we (or I in this situation) don't know much about the ship, She could have made it, since she is a modern combat vessel, she's fast and nimble and she can take a punch and return a few aswell. I think she might have made it, but it would have been a close call.
Personally, I don't see any of these three ships making it. The Sabre is too small, and the Norway & Steamrunner, whilst not small (though they are smaller than an Intrepid) they simply don't seem to have the crew compliments and the overall strength. [quote=Joelteon7;3547078]Negh'Var/Voodieh Now this IS an example of being big and intimidating. This ship would've been blowing holes in the enemy ships as they rereated just on the sight of the thing. She'd have got through all right, but had issues when trying to refuel...as we don't know how well Klingons can do that on the go.
Agreed. [quote=Mr. Matt;3548073]Yeah, sorry, I quoted the wrong post without realising it.

You didn't quote anything on your previous post :lookaround: I think we've got our wires crossed somewhere...




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#10 11 years ago
SupaStarAsh;3549009You didn't quote anything on your previous post :lookaround: I think we've got our wires crossed somewhere...

I certainly did quote something, but I removed the quote tags. It was to save me the bother of remembering which ships you'd listed, but I quoted the post below yours instead by mistake.