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#1 10 years ago

the kazon and the klingon empire looks the same like that ogla cild that commander chakoty saved and that cild says somthing that its better to die in honer than be captured just like a klingon but the klingon are stronger than those kazon for example :daddy: kazon (trabe) raider vs :daddy: klingon qeh'rel class orsomething now a entire kazon armade all sects even those that are not inhoner in basic part 1 i that and the klignon empire fleet all ships x300 that means kazon :micro: and the klingon empire:cheers: a entire kazon armade all sects even those that are not inhoner vs the romulan tal shiar that means kazon :micro: and the romulan tal shiar :cheers: you what i mean even the fregengi can win from those kazon fools




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#2 10 years ago

Eh? You what? And you post this in an Armada forum because...?:wtf:




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#3 10 years ago

I dont really get this. So baldy117 sees some similarities between the Kazons and Klingons and then wants a fight where the Kazons go :micro: ? Seriously,:rofl:




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#4 10 years ago

i cant find a smily that dies by a faser




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#5 10 years ago

This may sound harsh, but try writing in some kind of coherant English so others can understand your posts. Also, I'm sure there's a 3 smiley limit per post.




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#6 10 years ago

on a sociological and liguistical level I do find this post interesting.... apart from that: WTF?




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#7 10 years ago
baldy117;4554689...what [COLOR=red]I[/COLOR] mean even the [COLOR=red]Ferengi[/COLOR] can win [COLOR=red]against[/COLOR] those [COLOR=red]K[/COLOR]azon fools

[COLOR=black]Fixed. ;)[/COLOR] Ferengi would defeat Kazons? In your dreams, maybe. I suppose now you`re going to tell me that Cardassians would defeat the Federation without any help from anyone. :rolleyes:




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#8 10 years ago
Tricorder;4556555[COLOR=black]Fixed. ;)[/COLOR] Ferengi would defeat Kazons? In your dreams, maybe. I suppose now you`re going to tell me that Cardassians would defeat the Federation without any help from anyone. :rolleyes:

I don't see why not. When the Ferengi were first introduced it was said that their technology was essentially equal to that of the Federation, and the D'Kora-class Marauder was considered an impressive warship capable of going toe to toe against a Galaxy-class starship, if not necessarily emerging victorious. They were shown to be pretty strong creatures themselves, the Ferengi, giving both Worf and Data a run for their money in their initial contact. Factor in their massive economy, and you've got a potentially formidable power lying dormant on Ferenginar, they just don't take advantage of it for cultural reasons.

The race as a whole may have since been dumbed down for comic relief when the producers realised that nobody took them seriously enough for them to become the next big antagonists, but these facts still remain buried underneath all of that and they do still have a military force.

The Kazon, on the other hand, utilise pretty obsolete and poorly maintained technology and their nomadic nature means they wouldn't have the stable economy necessary to support logistics in a full-scale war - even if they managed to match the Ferengi on the battlefield, eventually attrition would take hold. Aside from the odd occasion where Seska helped them out, they don't appear to have a particularly strong grasp of tactics either, and while the Ferengi might not be the strategic geniuses of the universe we do know them to be pretty devious on occasion.

From an in-universe perspective the Ferengi Alliance probably wouldn't arbitrarily go off and attack the Kazon even if distance weren't a factor, as political neutrality is one of their definining principles. But if the Kazon sent a fleet of warships with the intention of wiping out the Ferengi for some random reason, and the Alliance couldn't enlist the help of some other power to drive them away, I don't see any reason why they couldn't defeat the Kazon on their own.

Unless the Kazon stumbled upon a chest of gold-pressed latinum and bribed all of the Ferengi ship captains, I guess.




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#9 10 years ago

Yes, I see your point. However...

They were shown to be pretty strong creatures themselves, the Ferengi, giving both Worf and Data a run for their money in their initial contact.

In my opinion, neither Worf or Data put up much of a fight at that occasion. Data alone could`ve snap them in half without "breaking a sweat", if you catch my drift. They had Phasers, but they didn`t use them even after Ferengi attacked them with those energy whips (or whatever they are). Ferengi wouldn`t stand a chance if Riker, Data, Worf and Geordi took more agressive approach. They had every right to stun them, especially since Ferengi attacked first.

...but these facts still remain buried underneath all of that and they do still have a military force.

Which they never used, even during the Dominion war when the entire Alpha quadrant was well underway to be conquered, they never even considered using that military force to help the Federation-Klingon-Romulan alliance. Why? I belive one of their rules of acquisition say War is good for business, but they would never openly participate in a war. Why? Because they are cowards. There is no profit in death. If Kazon would to attack the Ferengi, Ferengi would most likely run crying to Federation. I just don`t see them fighting in a war. But, that`s just my opinion. :p

The Kazon, on the other hand, utilise pretty obsolete and poorly maintained technology and their nomadic nature means they wouldn't have the stable economy necessary to support logistics in a full-scale war - even if they managed to match the Ferengi on the battlefield, eventually attrition would take hold. Aside from the odd occasion where Seska helped them out, they don't appear to have a particularly strong grasp of tactics either, and while the Ferengi might not be the strategic geniuses of the universe we do know them to be pretty devious on occasion.

True. I agree with that. But, I don`t think that even a Kazon would be that stupid to start a war without preparing for it first. Uniting all sects would be the first step. If they wouldn`t slaughter each other in the process of choosing a leader, they could organise themselves well enough to take on a Ferengi. You said it yourself, Ferengi aren`t strategic geniuses of the universe. Plus, Kazons are like Klingons when it comes to battle, but probably little smarter, so they know when to fight and when to retreat. Ferengi can be devious on occasion, yes. But their deviousnes is only effective as the enemy allows them. I remember the TNG episode where Ferengi attacked the Enterprise with two Birds of Prey they bought from Klingons. They managed to pull it off because they had element of surprise on their side. Later on, their stupidity got the best of them when Picard, Ro Laren, Guinan and Keiko as children (they became chidren as a resoult of transporter accident) rounded them up on the transporter pad behind the Force-field with few simple tricks. Heh. :D




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Tricorder;4556749In my opinion, neither Worf or Data put up much of a fight at that occasion. Data alone could`ve snap them in half without "breaking a sweat", if you catch my drift. They had Phasers, but they didn`t use them even after Ferengi attacked them with those energy whips (or whatever they are). Ferengi wouldn`t stand a chance if Riker, Data, Worf and Geordi took more agressive approach. They had every right to stun them, especially since Ferengi attacked first.

That's because the Federation are cowards ;).

Worf isn't the sort of person to bugger around, even if it means getting a court martial. And Data even warned Riker of their strength, and he doesn't lie. Make of it what you will, but it's not really important as we'd probably be talking about a fleet battle anyway.

Which they never used, even during the Dominion war when the entire Alpha quadrant was well underway to be conquered, they never even considered using that military force to help the Federation-Klingon-Romulan alliance. Why? I belive one of their rules of acquisition say War is good for business, but they would never openly participate in a war. Why? Because they are cowards. There is no profit in death. If Kazon would to attack the Ferengi, Ferengi would most likely run crying to Federation. I just don`t see them fighting in a war. But, that`s just my opinion. :p

The Ferengi we see after those one or two first excursions are businessmen, not soldiers. Of course they are cowards, just like those suits in the streets around here will cringe if a yob attacks them with a knife. The reason the Ferengi never got involved in the Dominion War was because of their policy of neutrality - dealing with both sides bolsters the economy. And at the end of the day, the Ferengi Alliance is all about the economy. It's not cowardice (we've seen numerous Ferengi who aren't cowards at all), it's just good business sense.

If we had ever actually seen the Ferengi Alliance being directly threatened, and no external help was available, I'm sure we'd have seen a different side to them.

I just hate how the producers of Star Trek turned them into nothing more than comic relief - there are all sorts of interesting things they could have done with them, particularly as they were pretty much the only major, purely capitalist, civilisation we ever saw in Star Trek. Had they developed their capitalist traits and retained their more serious side as seen in early TNG, all sorts of storylines could have been developed out of it - furthering their economic interests with violence, for example, would have raised all sorts of moral dilemmas and modern-day parallels. Instead, we saw a bunch of big-eared trolls ruled by a lunatic who was addicted to 'beetle snuff'. Watching the Ferengi was more like watching Futurama sometimes.

True. I agree with that. But, I don`t think that even a Kazon would be that stupid to start a war without preparing for it first. Uniting all sects would be the first step. If they wouldn`t slaughter each other in the process of choosing a leader, they could organise themselves well enough to take on a Ferengi. You said it yourself, Ferengi aren`t strategic geniuses of the universe. Plus, Kazons are like Klingons when it comes to battle, but probably little smarter, so they know when to fight and when to retreat. Ferengi can be devious on occasion, yes. But their deviousnes is only effective as the enemy allows them. I remember the TNG episode where Ferengi attacked the Enterprise with two Birds of Prey they bought from Klingons. They managed to pull it off because they had element of surprise on their side. Later on, their stupidity got the best of them when Picard, Ro Laren, Guinan and Keiko as children (they became chidren as a resoult of transporter accident) rounded them up on the transporter pad behind the Force-field with few simple tricks. Heh. :D

Even if the Kazon united, we're talking about a couple of hundred obsolete, poorly-maintained warships and a few thousand soldiers at best. The Cardassians post-Dominion War could have beaten that force back, let alone a civilisation completely untouched by war. They're nomads without a homeworld, there are a dozen or so sects and that's it. Even if the Ferengi didn't have superior technology with the logistics to support it, they'd still have numbers on their side.

And again, you're using businessmen and mercenaries as examples, not enlisted personnel. We have rarely seen proper Ferengi officers since those first couple of TNG episodes involving them, but they do exist. As I said, the Ferengi aren't exactly master chess players, but they're like Rommel compared to the Kazon.




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