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#1 12 years ago

So, I was watching Nemesis last night (I found myself pretty bored, so figured I'd watch it). Anyway, I noticed a few... "inconsistencies" and "fuck-ups" that I'd like to share. Lets start at the beginning. I find it incredibly hard that there are only two Guards for the Romulan Senate. - Who in turn die because of that radiation. Two Guards, for one of the most important places on Romulus. Yea.. Genius! Then we have the wedding. Wesley? Didn't he fly off with some alien being to another dimension? Unless he took a holiday from dimension-travel, what the hell was he even doing there? Then we have the whole Enterprise vs Scimitar thing. I wont go into how crap the Warbirds are (for top notch Romulan technology). But there is a point in the movie where Georgi says "we've exhausted our compliment of Photon Torpedoes and phasers are down to x%" They don't even mention the Quantum Torpedoes. Whats with that? Have they forgot about them or something? Then I only actually recall the Enterprise firing 6 Photons. Does that mean that their "compliment" is six? There is also that thing with Data & B4. B4 isn't suppose to gain any of Data's' knowledge, yet at the end, he starts humming a tune that he doesn't actually know (probably why Picard helps him out a bit). Oh, and for two crippled Romulan ships, they are the ones sending the Enterprise medical supplies... You'd think it would be the other way around.




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#2 12 years ago

Ummm...Usually you don't see a whole bunch of guards in a council chamber. In the United States capitol building there are barely any noticeable guards inside it where congress and the senate meet. Even in the Kremlin, there are hardly any guards actually inside the room where the meetings of the Soviet leadership are held. Most of the guards that are present are outside the actual chamber. I don't even think there's a whole lot of guards in the actual room where Parliament meets.

As for Whesley, why not? After all those years, why not? The traveler could appear just about anywhere whenever he wanted. There only real problem would be the fact that the Traveler said that Whesley's future was supposed to be different than that of the others on the Enterprise. However, exactly what that means is rather cryptic. The fact that he went off with the traveler and left the academy is already a rather significant difference.

You do realize that the Schinzon didn't care about capturing anyone on the warbirds, so he could and should have used full powered weapons on them, but he could not on the Enterprise since he wanted Picard captured. We actually told that those warbirds were the top of the line ships in the Romulan fleet. Considering that the entire Empire would likely be in turmoil after tha assassination of the senate, the bulk of the Romulan fleet would likely be tied up throughout the Empire trying to keep open rebellion and civil war from starting. It's doubtful if they would be able to send anything really heavier than a few cruisers or heavy cruisers.

The Enterprise was actually shown firing more than 6 photon torpedoes. 6 were fired from the after launcher, and at least 6 more were fired from the forward belly launcher. It was actually Data who said that they had exhausted their compliment of photon torpedoes. How many others were fired in between firing scenes will probably never be known. They do fire quantum torpedoes. However, it looks like the quantum torpedoes are only fired from the dorsal launcher on the saucer, so those maybe be a very limited supply. Or like the phasers, they were offline towards the end of the battle.

In the case of B4, earlier during the memory download, Geordi did say that B4 would have all of Data's memories, and was wondering if Data was really alright with that.

When it comes to the Valdore, the damage to her was crippling to her power system, but the damage to her hull wasn't nearly as extensive to her hull. It would be like a modern day nuclear powered vessel running aground and the reactor scramming as a result of the shock. You'll be without power for a while, but for the most part the ship is fine. In the case of the Enterprise, she has large chunks of the primary hull missing not to mention having to repel boarders.




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#3 12 years ago

I Think Wesley Sould Of Been In It More He Was Goning To Be But Thay Cut All His Seens Exspet The Aperance A The Weding




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#4 12 years ago
akula2ssnIt's doubtful if they would be able to send anything really heavier than a few cruisers or heavy cruisers.[/quote]"This is Commander Danatra of the WARBIRD Valdore." - I think that covers the fact they were Warbirds and not Cruisers ;) [quote=akula2ssn]The Enterprise was actually shown firing more than 6 photon torpedoes. 6 were fired from the after launcher, and at least 6 more were fired from the forward belly launcher. It was actually Data who said that they had exhausted their compliment of photon torpedoes. How many others were fired in between firing scenes will probably never be known. They do fire quantum torpedoes. However, it looks like the quantum torpedoes are only fired from the dorsal launcher on the saucer, so those maybe be a very limited supply. Or like the phasers, they were offline towards the end of the battle.

Ok Data. But my point is, he says "We've exhausted our compliment of Photon Torpedoes, and Phasers aren't very good" - they don't even mention their Quantum Torpedoes.




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#5 12 years ago

Yes, Donatra says warbird. However that really doesn't tell us anything. The Romulans pretty much refer to just about any kind of capitol ship in the Romulan fleet as a warbird. Even in TNG we know from the first 2 seasons that there are different classes of warbirds, some of which are cruisers. TNG isn't really consistent or clear on the use of the term, warbird.




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#6 12 years ago

Well few things of those torpedoes... We dont know everything, the enterprise was going to go to betazed to have a wedding, its maybe possible that the enterprise already used a lot of torpedoes in an earlier mission... Of those phaser i can understand, the warpcore was damaged and phaser drain power from it... Actually every ship of the romulans is called a warbird, i even think of the tng episode "the defector" that admiral Jaret? calls the small romulan ship, a warbird! Well, geordi told that b4 wasnt able to process all the info at once, but there was already a lot of time between that moment. I think and its certain that data isnt dead but b4 will become Data. He needs probably some upgrades from Bruce maddox...




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#7 12 years ago

That does kind of bring up some of the old philosophical questions about Data. Would B4 really become Data even after he accesses all of Data's memories. All memories in the human brain are stored chemically in the brain. If we could transfer all of those to another human's brain, would that really make that other person into the person who held those memories, or is there something more to it? And how would the person who gained those memories percieve them? Would they percieve them the same way as the previous person or not? Would they really view them as their own memories, or as the other person's memories? Afterall, Picard does raise that question with Data about whether or not a person is just the sum of his or her experiences. If so, than that kind of throws the concept of free will out the window doesn't it.




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#8 12 years ago

Oh God, this is going to get really really confusing... I *think* that the person would be the same... Shinzon wasn't, because although he had Picards genes, he didn't have his memories. If someone had a memory transplant, and looked the same (from new host to old) then in theory they would be the "same" person.. At least I think they would.




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#9 12 years ago

Let's ask Mr. Owl. He seems to know everything...




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#10 12 years ago

everything else is pretty much explained, but one ting i would have liked changed is having the enterprises warp engines disabled BEFORE they had thier shields up. It seem that wen shinzon 1st attacked they had thier shields up, then all the sudded 2 shots penetrate to disable it. I dont think its an ability the scimitar ahs otehr wise hed use that to disale the rest if the ship. If u notice geordi also says "hes disabled our warp drive with his 1st shot, captain!" wen it was really more like his 10th shot. Also when the scimitar fired from under cloak the enterprise should be able to return fire, its easy to see where its coming from, and the shimmering effect when the scimitar fires under cloak suggests therer may be somthing 'shimmering' on sensors, too.