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#1 12 years ago

From what culture do you think the Terran Empire Originated.

http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Terran_Empire I would have put this with the first post but time ran out




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#2 12 years ago

http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Terran_Empire I would have put this with the first post but time ran out




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#3 12 years ago

the nazis i think. Always their hands i mean the way they salute their commander is like the nazi way...




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#4 12 years ago

While not fully fleshed out on screen, there's been quite a bit written regarding the mirror universe, and while not 'canon' it is interesting and worth considering... http://startrek.wikia.com/wiki/Mirror_Universe I personally selected America as the point of origin, primarily because I can't envision it becoming the 'Terran' Empire until they actually gain the technology to go out into space and conquer... and as shown in 'Enterprise' the beginning of that is when Cochrane shoots the Vulcan and then raids his ship. I always would've liked to have seen the Mirror Universe fleshed out more... and would've enjoyed seeing a series based on it, ah well. And as some speculation, after reading the DS9 novel 'Warpath', it seems that there're going to be more books with a focus on the Mirror Universe following it(Warpath)...




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#5 12 years ago

i dont think its the nazis because TOS usually showed anything nazi that they wanted too(ie swastikas) but their wasnt anything german to the ships or decales.id toss it up between rome and Asia.or the Mongols/Huns




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#6 12 years ago

It's kind of hard to say. The culture on Earth seems to be completely different. It's not clear where it actually diverges from the other universe, assuming they even had a common culture at some point in the first place. It may just be that Earth was that was since the beginning of civilization in the mirror universe.




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#7 12 years ago

The terran salute suggests nazi or roman and the clothes suggest eastern or barbarrian




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#8 12 years ago

I forget what their salute was like.




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#9 12 years ago

I think that the salute is a superficial gesture that can't be taken at face value as it doesn't really tell us anything. The Nazi angle is actually a rather weak one, but the Roman one is certainly plausible.

There is a fundamental problem with the Nazi idea. The fact that Uhura, Spock, Sulu, Checkov, T'Pol, Soval, Sato, Mayweather, Flox, etc are even present, already casts doubt on the Terran Empire coming from the Nazis. Perhaps the most defining aspect of the Nazis was the idea of eugenics. The Nazis wished to purify the human race, and exterminate all who didn't fit into Hitler's idea of eugenics (which ironically he himself didn't fit either). In fact the Nazis did go as far as having programs where actual humans were selectively bred. If the Terran Empire did indeed come from Nazi ideals, then Uhura, Sulu, Checkov, Sato, and Mayweather shouldn't even be alive, or at the very least, the aliens shouldn't even be alive.

The Roman angle is more plausible. The Romans did conscript people from conquered lands and even some of the military leaders in the Roman army came from conquered territories. Perhaps one of the biggest tell tale signs that the Terran Empire comes from Rome is the way the women are treated by the men. Male dominance was an integral part of Roman society and culture. A man in Roman society was for the most part allowed to do whatever he wished with the women of his house hold. Under Roman law, conquered lands could still practice their usual cultural beliefs provided that it didn't challenge Roman authority.




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#10 12 years ago

I think an eastern people are also plausible.The dress is very barbaric,the belt looks asiatic and peoples like the huns adopted roman imperialist ideals as their own