Pure Servers Cannot Stop Cheaters -1 reply

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PanzerKiddie

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#1 16 years ago

Anyway, i got angry after playing on a server where somehow the allies would spawn right in the warroom. So i decided to do some research.

First thing: RTCW loads textures/sprites right form your computer.

2nd thing: punkbuster/pureservers only check to make sure these files are there and haven't been modifed.

3rd thing: People can make uniforms different colors,and make walls see through. Basically,if they keep the wall with the same name and format, punkbuster doesn't care what color(transperent) it is. It just sees the correct name/format etc and loads it! Your still seeing the same basic grey wall.

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bani

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#2 16 years ago

Lets see some screenshots then, of these cheats on a pure+punkbuster server.

Have you tried these cheats yourself or are you just assuming things?




PanzerKiddie

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#3 16 years ago

Well,Bani.

I'am sort of assumeing. If everything goes as computers should work,the above will happen.

However I KNOW that you can easyily modify them(it's documented on wolfenstien resource,to). Wich is what brought me to look at it.

Push come to shove,if the programs work like they should,this would be a general outcome.




bani

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#4 16 years ago

Originally posted by PanzerKiddie Well,Bani. I'am sort of assumeing. If everything goes as computers should work,the above will happen. However I KNOW that you can easyily modify them(it's documented on wolfenstien resource,to). Wich is what brought me to look at it. Push come to shove,if the programs work like they should,this would be a general outcome.

yes you can easily modify pk3's for the different colored uniforms and transparent walls etc, but sorry to inform you that they simply wont work on pure servers.

go ahead, try it if you don't believe me.

until you can produce screenshots of a hack working on a pure punkbuster server, you're just making wild assumptions and nobody is going to take you seriously.




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#5 16 years ago

Why wouldn't we take him seriously?

If there are cheats are you against finding them?

it seems like PK is just stating his point on how it could work.

Let me ask you this. How do you take a screenshot of what someone else is seeing? You can't unless you have the same config as them. Am I right?




bani

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#6 16 years ago

Originally posted by HAYWOODJABL*** Why wouldn't we take him seriously? If there are cheats are you against finding them? it seems like PK is just stating his point on how it could work.

The problem is that he's dead wrong.

He basically said "this is how I think an rtcw cheat might work, therefore rtcw sucks"

He's making wild assumptions and thats why nobody should take his claim seriously.

Let me ask you this. How do you take a screenshot of what someone else is seeing? You can't unless you have the same config as them. Am I right?

Hes claiming he knows how to make a cheat, I'm stating he's wrong.

If he wants to prove me wrong he can make a screenshot of a cheat that he made, and of him using it on a pure+punkbuster server.




Fluffy Lemon

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#7 16 years ago

Whilst nothing is imposible, I think we are fairly safe from cheaters. Lets look at the example of other online games, CS and UT have a big problem with cheating, mainly aimbot type things. These things cant be kept secret and soon its well know what type of cheat is available and where you can get it.

The UT mod I play sometimes called StrikeForce also has these problems. Now StrikeForce has less people playing than RTCW, so I think we can safely presume that if cheats existed for RTCW someone, somewhere would know about it.

Not to say that we should not remain vigilant, im sure there are bedroom programmers out there trying to crack punkbuster but I think we are safe at the moment.




WolfUmbra

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#8 16 years ago

As long as there has been an animal capable of playing games or creating a system, there have been animals capable of deceit.

-WolfUmbra-




Gnaget

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#9 16 years ago

Fooling punkbuster is as close to impossible as anything gets in this world. At least with modifying files. You are working with textures here, not colors. A transparent color is diffrent than a texture. Then, when you compress it, the size becomes even more diffrent.




PanzerKiddie

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#10 16 years ago

1. I AM NOT SAYING I KNOW HOW TO MAKE A CHEAT.nethier did i say rtcw sucks.

I only posted what appeared what would happen to contrubite to the rtcw community. I didn't expect flames for it.