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Flash525

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#1 12 years ago

Ok, the “purpose” of section 31 is (please feel free to correct me should I be wrong) but to protect Earth and the Federation from each and every threat they may face. My question(s) are this.

  1. Where was Section 31 in First Contact? The Borg literally right on top Earth and with Earth facing destruction, their “saviours” isn’t anywhere to be seen.
  2. Nemesis – Once again, the Federation and Earth were under a pretty big threat, yet Section 31 did nothing. – I know the Scimitar wasn’t exactly close to Earth at the time, but with that threat on the way, surely they would have done something (they have ships).
  3. Best of Both Worlds – Again, where were Section 31?
  4. The Dominion War – Whilst they were “involved” with the Founder Virus, they didn’t actually “do” anything – Just created a virus, and then popped off home in time for their tea and an early night.
  5. When the Breen attacked Earth and Starfleet HQ, where were Section 31 then? - I didn't see them protecting Starfleet Command.

Additionally, there are quite a few occurrences of which Section 31 should or could have been involved with, yet we don’t see them.




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#2 12 years ago

You have those questions because you think of Section 31 as similar to the Tal Shiar. The Romulan intelligence agency has it's own fleet and troops, but Section 31 isn't an independent force as such. THey can't just magically appear with a fleet large enough to destroy an enemy force. Their work takes place behind the scene in the hidden.




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#3 12 years ago
Nemesis – Once again, the Federation and Earth were under a pretty big threat, yet Section 31 did nothing. – I know the Scimitar wasn’t exactly close to Earth at the time, but with that threat on the way, surely they would have done something (they have ships).

This is your only question that I can adress as I don't know much about Section 31.

The remans were not seen as a threat to earth yet. Section 31 may not have even known about the thelaron weapon that Shinzon (spelling?) had.

i am sure that if the Schimitar came to earth section 31 would have taken action.




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#4 12 years ago
'Dreadnought[DK']You have those questions because you think of Section 31 as similar to the Tal Shiar. The Romulan intelligence agency has it's own fleet and troops, but Section 31 isn't an independent force as such. THey can't just magically appear with a fleet large enough to destroy an enemy force. Their work takes place behind the scene in the hidden.[/quote]The Romulan Tal Shiar don't have fleets either, their operatives simply have the power to take command of a ship. I never expect S31 to appear with a fleet, though they'd surely have ships that would have advanced weaponry or even cloaking capability with them. [quote=nowhereman]The remans were not seen as a threat to earth yet. Section 31 may not have even known about the thelaron weapon that Shinzon (spelling?) had. i am sure that if the Schimitar came to earth section 31 would have taken action.

No doubt if the Scimitar got to Earth she would have been met with an Arsenal of Federation ships and Earths orbital defence stations (assuming they have them). However, surely S31 would have known about the Thelaron weapon, The Enterprise relayed messages to Starfleet, and no doubt S31 would have been reading through them too.




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#5 12 years ago
SupaStarAshThe Romulan Tal Shiar don't have fleets either, their operatives simply have the power to take command of a ship.[/QUOTE] [quote=http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Tal_Shiar]The Tal Shiar operates their own fleet, often to their own aims. (TNG: "Face of the Enemy", DS9: "The Die is Cast")

Section 31 is completely hidden and isn't officially recognised by either Starfleet or the Federation. Therefore they cannot take control over ships or operate their own fleet. Tal Shiar on the other hand is a well-known power factor in Romulan politics. They conduct some of their operations in the hidden, yes, but unlike Section 31 they have an acknowledged power and influence.




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#6 12 years ago

The beauty of covert ops is that they're covert see... By the time events are dramatic enough to take place on the big screen it's rather rare that people such as S31 are in a position to do anything about them.




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#7 12 years ago
[urlhttp://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Tal_Shiar[/url]]The Tal Shiar operates their own fleet, often to their own aims. (TNG: "Face of the Enemy", DS9: "The Die is Cast")[/quote]Memory-Alpha has been known for its "mistakes". There was one episode where Dianna Troi was made to be a Tal Shiar Operative, and she "had command" of yet an ordinary Warbird. [quote='Dreadnought[DK]']Section 31 is completely hidden and isn't officially recognised by either Starfleet or the Federation. Therefore they cannot take control over ships or operate their own fleet.

As said in my previous comment, I don't expect S31 to have fleets, but surely they'd have ships with additional technology.




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#8 12 years ago
SupaStarAshAs said in my previous comment, I don't expect S31 to have fleets, but surely they'd have ships with additional technology.

why would they "surely" have extra technology? they rely on human resources and inside knowledge of existing technologies.




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#9 12 years ago

Because they are covert ops. Thing of all the "secret orginsations" around earth, they all have and know things that the general public don't. I know this is speculation, but how do you know for example that some government hasn't got a cure for Cancer or something? My point with this is that they'd have and know stuff that the general "federation" doesn't.




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#10 12 years ago
SupaStarAshMy point with this is that they'd have and know stuff that the general "federation" doesn't.

not necessarily. and remember that Section 31 isn't Starfleet Intelligence which is the official federation intelligence agency..